So, how is Pagos?

[Fluffya]

Its just that the mobs are overtune, and not by a little.

I had the elemental buff (att up/def up/xp up) so i decided to finish my challenge log solo.

A lvl 21 mob, same lvl as me, had me dual cast vercure two time before i kill it, with the buff. In comparaison, its like fighting a lvl3 mob as a lvl1 in anemos.

I dont even know how SE will make Pagos viable once outdated because even the buff isnt enough right now.

[Teraluna]

Definition of Pagos:
There's a 3m high wall that needs painting, here's a 5mm brush for you to do it.
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[Solarra]

How's Pagos? Short answer - Awful

The nerf to the NM spawns means a lot of punishing combat for very little reward. I've been in four times now and I'm seeing only one or maybe two NMs per session.

The Challenge Log gives good xp but causes issues with players now having lots of different objectives. It's hard to find a group where everyone works together if you don't do it straight after reset.

People seem a lot less helpful than they were in Anemos (probably due to the high risk of losing a huge chunk of XP if you try to be a 'good samaritan')

The bunny fates are just annoying, got gold 3 times and no bunny. Then again, the two people I know who did get the bunny got one grade V materia and a lizard tongue. I haven't bothered since.

It's hard (at least on EU Datacentre) to find people willing to co-operate and communicate with each other.
I've been in parties that broke because no one could agree what mobs to kill for the challenge log or because people just weren't prepared to kill mobs they didn't need personally.
Other parties people didn't seem to understand how to chain and ran round hitting stuff we hadn't pulled and totally ignoring the red mobs.
One memorable party where everyone bar two of us was afk...

It's been an exercise in frustration so far and it's caused my RSI to flare. Since the weapon is going to be outdated almost as soon as we get it, I am seriously considering not going back in.

[-Yuuna-]

is it possible to farm the light for my weapon in anemos?

[EmeraldAres]

I still have plenty of concerns with Pagos, but I want to talk about my favorite new addition to it: random "mutations" and "adaptions" that the monsters do like growing big, turning into different species, and even changing element randomly. Why can't I mutate and adapt in Pagos? The place is messed up anyway, so it might as well be possible for me to randomly become a 50 foot WHM that hits like a freight train or to transform into a manticore and beat the tar out of some mobs. It wouldn't happen all the time obviously, but having stuff like that appear out of nowhere would be hilarious and would help break up the monotonous grind.

[Aster_E]

I had taken a break from the game--my sub ran out right before patch, due to SE's glorious timing of spread-out content--and came back a day later expecting the Day 1 mess (a la., Anemos at 4.25 launch) to subside, people to have some idea as to what to do, and SOME level of efficiency to be found so we could all group up, have fun-but-not-as-SE-intended. I returned to find an instance white with salt rather than snow.

Challenge Logs to get to 22? That's nice, but the Log should only be a supplement than than a means to an end.

Mounts turned off again. Annoying. It was annoying in Anemos, we earned it in Anemos, and we earned the ability to mount up at level 21-ish in the main game. That a major function of the main game would be taken away for a place so expansive is just a dick move, to put it kindly. Oh wait, there's more! Lv40 dragons that awaken from their slumber and devour all of your hopes and dreams if you so much as move at normal speeds, so if or when we do get mounts in Pagos we'll have to still turn on the slow walk at every other corner of the northern half of the map.

The layout is purposefully built to disallow the free movement of trains, the mobs have to be killed mindlessly by the hundreds before NMs ~might~ show up, and SE still hasn't figured out that, maybe, some of us might want these FATEs to count toward Diadem NM or overall FATE achievements.I understand SE didn't necessarily want us turning Pagos into another stupid, boring train where people AFK and find actually enjoyable things to do, but a more proper response would have been, I dunno, make the NM experience more involved and engaging, making the other mobs more rewarding, even if they aren't tied to NMs, orthat like.

You know what they ~did~ add? A FATE that gives no exp, only a RNG-based chance at a bunny after spending so much time on this FATE, and the treasure being really unimpressive. This alone could have been done better by speeding up how long the FATE takes (and turn down completely the number of people needed for it), and providing a worthwhile buff to rewards from a certain element or the like. But nope. It's effectively a waste of time in addition to a grind heavy instance that has been literally built to be anti-fun.

Anemos was already a poor man's callback to FFXI, back when Korean MMOs were like that instead of faster paced like City of Heroes/Villains (out about the same time as XI) up to BDO right now. Pagos took the worst of Anemos and told us we ~must~ do it this time around, and oh yeah do some light grinding starting at level 25 (but hey, at least we collected two faulty magicites that couldn't be added to our wheels).

Oh yeah, I'd have loved to put a point or two into my defensive element while keeping the other five in offense, as DPS or healer. I understand this would screw with balancing, but I'd take that over this anti-fun experience we have now. Not "It missed its mark so it's not fun to me," but anti-fun. There might be some people who enjoy anti-fun things out there, but I was under the impression that they weren't FFXIV's target audience, as anecdotal as this might sound.

Just... WTF, Squeenix? Who hurt y'all as children, and why are you taking it out on us?

[ko_]

Well, apparently THEY REALLY hated the nm train and this is their answer. Well played se, well played. We know how they feel now, but that kindof spite is going to get them in trouble. Even if I agree with it. But they should do something and give players a bone. Or just drop this content.

[Souljacker]

Well, apparently THEY REALLY hated the nm train and this is their answer. Well played se, well played. We know how they feel now, but that kindof spite is going to get them in trouble. Even if I agree with it. But they should do something and give players a bone. Or just drop this content.

This is SE's way of operating and we as players have historically accepted it. Their go-to is ALWAYS to punish the player instead of redesign the content in a way that encourages the play they want. People fishing for queues? Give them a penalty. You know what other games did? Took away the option to select a "fresh" instance or not and everyone gets in whatever RANDOM DUNGEON THAT IS RANDOMLY PICKED FOR THEM.

Other games have this right. SE has it wrong.

Housing a problem? Let's not fix our stupid design and instance the content so that every player can have a house and not have to worry about losing it (like XI and every other game seems to have), let's punish the players for owning a house by demolishing them if they have to take a break. That will solve the problem.

Players are doing content in a way we didn't anticipate? Why create a PTR so we can see how they will use it before launch? That's a waste of time when we can just punish them in the next iteration of the content for misbehaving instead.

I'm letting my sub lapse and this time, despite enjoying being with my old friends from XI again, I'm not coming back. SE clearly hates their players. The game just isn't fun.

[ko_]

This is SE's way of operating and we as players have historically accepted it. Their go-to is ALWAYS to punish the player instead of redesign the content in a way that encourages the play they want. People fishing for queues? Give them a penalty. You know what other games did? Took away the option to select a "fresh" instance or not and everyone gets in whatever RANDOM DUNGEON THAT IS RANDOMLY PICKED FOR THEM.

Other games have this right. SE has it wrong.

Housing a problem? Let's not fix our stupid design and instance the content so that every player can have a house and not have to worry about losing it (like XI and every other game seems to have), let's punish the players for owning a house by demolishing them if they have to take a break. That will solve the problem.

Players are doing content in a way we didn't anticipate? Why create a PTR so we can see how they will use it before launch? That's a waste of time when we can just punish them in the next iteration of the content for misbehaving instead.

I'm letting my sub lapse and this time, despite enjoying being with my old friends from XI again, I'm not coming back. SE clearly hates their players. The game just isn't fun.

Yeah a PTR wouldve fixed this before it was a problem I'm in full agreement there 100%. Must be a Japanese thing cause I never seen Japanese devs provide us with a PTR. It's been mostly western devs who do, proving the east clearly don't understand their western fans. Sega has this problem too and capcom also in a few games to name a few.

[Remus]

Yeah a PTR wouldve fixed this before it was a problem I'm in full agreement there 100%. Must be a Japanese thing cause I never seen Japanese devs provide us with a PTR. It's been mostly western devs who do, proving the east clearly don't understand their western fans. Sega has this problem too and capcom also in a few games to name a few.

From what I have noticed Japanese developers prefer to keep things as a surprise instead of testing to make sure it's right. A lot of the time they have good ideas but they have such a small sample size to actually try it (usually only internal) and they say it's good so they presume most will have the same opinion but that generally isn't always the case (I mean who thought Diadem on the team was good to release?).