So, how is Pagos?

[Jandor]

People are complaining that they just did the same thing again, but I wish they had instead of making it significantly less rewarding.

Yeah, Anemos was a bit of a mind numbing grind at first but could actually be a bit of fun once you were a decent level and had got your mount. Reminded me of the old N. Thanalan FATE train.

Wasn't exactly top tier content but was fine once you were over the initial hump. I didn't really want to have to do that initial grind all over again though...

[MuseTraveller]

Finally dived in after work ... got whooping total of one crystal and one lock box after I suppose lucky spawn of a NM near by!
I did part of the challenge log to lvl 21 and had go cause it was getting late. Oh dear lord, my poor wrist. I joined as WHM at first but switched to RDM to help kill the mobs faster. Countless scatters and a pained hand later, and no crystals or any drops. I left with a bitter taste. I will hold my opinion for a day or so to see how it is after NM trains happen. :/

There was a bunny fate too that no one wanted to touch. Top of all, can't risk to lurk even bit cause of delevel danger and people are less bothering to go into danger zones to res people.

[NessaWyvern]

You know how in Anemos, if you died in the low levels and rez yourself, you don't lose exp or levels? Turns out in Pagos you do, be warned, I learned that the hard way T^T

Same quest, same path, same boring grind and seriously, what is up with them bunnies because I did two of those fates and didn't get a bunny following me? After the second one I joined and didn't get a bunny, I just left the instance.

I think it's probably best to do the bunnies when you are max level, since you already don't get exp, and you can actually look for the treasure (since my bunny tried to lead me far to the north with ultra-kill monsters).

[Kyu-Momo]

Pagos just nails home that the devs only listen to their Japanese player base, ie, the community that actually seems to LIKE tedious, mind numbing, boring af grind for some inexplicable reason. At this point, I doubt I'll be subbed much longer.

[LastFireAce]

Pagos just nails home that the devs only listen to their Japanese player base, ie, the community that actually seems to LIKE tedious, mind numbing, boring af grind for some inexplicable reason. At this point, I doubt I'll be subbed much longer.

The JP player no liking it either lol

[Xion136]

The JP player no liking it either lol

Really? I (and some people on reddit) have been wondering how the JP players are viewing Pagos.

I dislike Eureka but suffered for the Dyable PLD armor, and used my excess crystals to get DRK to almost ILV335. But Pagos? I spent an hour, died, got a group, farmed, then did the Bunny Fate and learned how terrible it was...and promptly left.


Not katana is worth this. Nor is that crappy PLD weapon. The fact they made something even UGLIER then Galantyn is AN ACHIEVEMENT.

[Fawkes]

Really? I (and some people on reddit) have been wondering how the JP players are viewing Pagos.

The Japanese players usually feel about the same as we do, which makes SE's decision making all the more mystifying. Nobody wanted greed-only 24 mans. Nobody wanted a more boring, grindy Eureka. Where are these ideas coming from?

[RyuDragnier]

Really? I (and some people on reddit) have been wondering how the JP players are viewing Pagos.

This post from an earlier page covered it. Sorry about the bad formatting, apparently the forums can't handle this well.

Here are some of the highest rated posts regarding Pagos. Keep in mind that on the Japanese forums instead of everyone posting their own opinion, if they have the same one they just like the post. This way it is easy to find the prevalent opinion.

Also : Fish Hunting = Chaining Mobs and/or Killing Trash Mobs

"I was conscious of the so-called old MMO like FF 11, Eureka.
But to be honest I did not seem to have united the bad places of FF 11 with the bad places of FF 14 ...?
11 There are parts that I imagine based on the story that I heard that I have never done ...

As a specific problem ... In Eureka it is necessary to keep hunting many enemies, but the enemies are tough overall.
In the case of FF 11, it was not necessary to input commands frequently, but in FF 14 it is necessary to continue inputting frequently, so defeating many hard enemies does not match the battle system of FF 14.
Even if you struggle to defeat a lot of hard enemies, dropping and experience values ​​were fine in FF 11, but Eureka is almost equal to none, to say honestly that drops and experience values ​​are troublesome.
In other words, the effort required by players is greater than FF 11 to keep keystrokes on end, but the return is less than FF 11.
I think that it is a problem."



"Even if it is said that "just hunt Zako a lot" without reviewing the fundamental part
"I get tired and the pad wears and I can not do it" I feel like it will ..."



"Level up → I found an abnormal point → I collect → I will investigate → And the level raising loop is also very monotonous.
I think that it will finally be a quest and it will be a lot of story with a thin content.

If you think that the people of No are not good, if you raise the experience value of a small fish a bit, you would like to increase the chain bonus.
The number of the other knockboxes obviously became astringent, and it became the impression that it was fun all over Anemos edition."



"As few as 100 steps can be used as a box
What is it like fireworks and petals come out from that few boxes?
I was disappointed that everyone in the development really thought that I did not learn anything in the previous Eureka"



"It is quite understandable that it was posted to the fish hunt after being told that it is FATE in the end at Anemos
The fish hunting is too bad ... I think that it may be possible to raise the level by 2 to 3 times of 30 Chep up to now, but in fact 1/3 of the gauge is good
About rabbits are already written, but it is really terrible, if you defeat NM normally and you pass through a super danger zone that got even higher density from Anemos than experience value 0, you will get negative
Besides, it will be falling apart in PT ... I could still forgive you if this is the same place
It is irritated at all times, and it is irritating and it is this rabbit of this unhappy w The design is also like an insect
Also, if the small fish does not drop anything, please delete the chain's drop-up icon already, it's OK if the mutation falls off"

And just to prove a point of how they feel -

"I always think that there is no fun hunting fish in the FF 14 system.
What was fun with traditional MMO's fish fish hunting
· The goal of acquiring new skills and new equipment by raising the level and the fun of trying it
· There are degrees of freedom in the direction of breeding of characters, and growing characters specialized for a specific hunting style
· There is a direct drop of rare items from small fish enemies, you can always fight with expectation
I think that it is around, but FF 14 has none (truly truncated).
Also, since the performance of the PC is flat and the performance of the enemy is flat at the same time, since it is this enemy / PT, there is no choice to hunt this enemy.

The enemy is too hard, my fingers get tired, I think that other games also somewhat like comparing the number of buttons
In short it means that there is no sense of refreshing for hunting fish.
Basic FS 14 WS · Magic spinning is a matter of course and it is rather natural rather than "skill use" rather than "other skills" in other game senses.
Recast Only when a buff back of 1 or 2 minutes comes back it turns into a burst turn and makes it a little pleasant.
This is too bad tempo to play at the center of small fish hunting.
Even if the small fish becomes soft like this system, this fish hunting of this game will not be fun.
Because it's not fun to f*** funny fish triggering trigger.

Anemos pretty much caught it, but it was a pleasure to visit NM, so the hunting of small fish itself was painful.
High level NM boiled down with the expectation and goal that it probably will boil when looking at lipop time and weather.
I think that Pagos will be able to enjoy it to a certain extent if the EL of the whole is raised and the NM boiling becomes active
Since the early stage NM is small, it is painful."

They too miss the NM Train.

[Recaldy]

Either remake this MMORPG, make a NEW one because these systems have been played out, or just make everything a Boss fight ala Extreme/Savage. Seems to be the only thing they can do right is glamour (meh) and mechanic-heavy boss fights. I bought a month of subscription for this patch. The Monster Hunter fight I think is worth it for game play. Pathos is nice because I like snow but it's just a drag.

[Remus]

I spent majority of my time during patch day doing Eureka and I reached level 24. Honestly, I personally think Anemos was better than Pagos. Pagos has a terrible levelling curve while also nerfing a lot of ways people tried to get EXP (It took me a whole day just to reach 24 and that was with monster grind and doing fates). They made NMs take forever to spawn but didn't change how much exp mobs give so the grind goes at a horrible pace. They do have the adaptation mechanic (enemy grows bigger and gives 4x extra exp) but this rarely ever happens so they might as well not have it.

Also for some reason they made almost every monster in there tanky as hell and hit like a truck so you can hardly solo anything compared to Anemos. When you were below the enemy by 1 level or the same level most early monsters you could kill and level with them but Pagos you can't really do that. People say bad things about the Fate train but that made the grind at least somewhat interesting compared to the now slow as hell chain mob which take 10 years to kill a single enemy for tiny exp. Also we get no new magicite (21/23 quests) in the early levels so we aren't getting a boost in damage/defense for the new area. We could perhaps get one at 25 but who knows.

The challenge log was a great addition to Eureka and I'm glad they created it because it made the early levels go by quickly and I think they should have more of these but perhaps in Leves form which gives lore and reasonable amount of exp to the whole group depending on how you do and they could perhaps have a impact on spawning NMs.

Overall, I just feel that they didn't take much of the feedback given and just created a zone and made sure people couldn't do the NM train and didn't consider trying to change the other areas of Eureka to make it somewhat interesting and reasonable when it came to levelling. There could be something different down the line for exp but so far it doesn't feel very different when it comes to levelling up. Also, wouldn't surprise me they purposely didn't change the exp after nerfing NM train just so the content lasts until 4.4.

Edit: Extra note the combat in this game isn't made for this type of content. Honestly after going through the grind from tanking my hands were hurting a bit and I actually decided to afk in the train to have a break from it. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to have enemies with such high hp and needing to kill multiple of them (200+ if you want to level only using the chain bonus way which is just stupid with how slow it is).