Making Warrior's Butcher Block combo relevant

[Garry]

I feel like it would be cool if the dev made it so using Butcher Block wasn't just a dps loss for more emnity, but made it so it fit into the warrior kit in some way.

I think making it so the last hit in the combo made your next fel cleave/inner beast do x% more damage would be a cool stop gap. SO that you always wanted to weave in 1 butchers block combo into between Cleaves when not running inner beast.

Then combine unchained and defiance stance into just a cool down with increased healing and health. As the current warrior play style honestly makes a lot of sense for the class, despite it possibly not being thier intention (?).

As shirk makes the whole stance thing kind of irrelevant any ways as off tanking is as easy as throwing you aggro at the MT.

[shao32]

if you make it a dps gain it will generate agro problems bcs WAR's are using it a lot on the OT spot, the solution will be makit it equal worthy so it will be usefull as a MT and save it when you are OT without losing power, but thats not only on WAR, its have to be don on all tanks.

[Eloah]

I think all of the tank enmity combos are meh now

[Azerhan]

I think all of the tank enmity combos are meh now

DRK disagrees, even if it's a dps loss, the enmity produced by the aggro combo is excellent.

I guess the problem is much more the idea of tanking in this game, is more like a dps with some defensives spells and a combo you use one or two time in a fight.
Maybe they should think about making the enmity a more important part of the tank's gameplay.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

DRK disagrees, even if it's a dps loss, the enmity produced by the aggro combo is excellent.

I guess the problem is much more the idea of tanking in this game, is more like a dps with some defensives spells and a combo you use one or two time in a fight.
Maybe they should think about making the enmity a more important part of the tank's gameplay.

To be fair though, you still only want to use Power Slash once unless the fight has aggro resets.

And therein lies the issue. Enmity as a whole has become so laughably simple, they may as well delete it from the game if it doesn't get an overhaul come 5.0. Warrior has reached a point where it doesn't even use Butcher's Block at all even without a Ninja. A solution I happen to fancy is enmity gradually reducing whenever you go into DPS stance, thus giving tanks something to manage exclusive to them. Unfortunately, I doubt they do anything since they seem utterly terrified of making things "too hard." I just find it hilariously ironic Yoshida laments how little Warriors want to use Defiance. Maybe if enmity wasn't a joke and incoming damage couldn't be shrugged off so easily, people would care about tank stance in general.

[Eloah]

DRK disagrees, even if it's a dps loss, the enmity produced by the aggro combo is excellent.

You do realize you just agreed with me, right?

It's not meh as in they aren't strong, Butcher's Block is still WAR's highest combo, it's that they offer nothing but enmity. Heck Royal Authority offers nothing but pure damage, but is still useful since that's PLS's highest combo.

[Zyneste]

You do realize you just agreed with me, right?

It's not meh as in they aren't strong, Butcher's Block is still WAR's highest combo, it's that they offer nothing but enmity. Heck Royal Authority offers nothing but pure damage, but is still useful since that's PLS's highest combo.

Buter's block is second place. Storm's path heals, does the more potency over time and generates 10 more gauge, so its more optimal.

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[Eloah]

Buter's block is second place. Storm's path heals, does the same potency and generates 10 more gauge, so its more optimal.

Storm's Eye and Storm's Path are both 280 potency, Butcher's Block is 300. The 20 extra potency doesn't outweigh the benefits the other two offer.

[Zyneste]

Butcher's block is for enmity. A conscious choice to acquire more enmity. Storms path was buffed with the new gauge system to discontinue butchers blocks use in the off tank position.

It's intentional to be left as is. It serves its purpose.

[Shurrikhan]

How to make enmity combos relevant:
- Rework enmity as a system.
- Mostly remove the enmity component of enmity combos, siphoning the bonus towards some new system.

Or:
- Effectively trim Shirk.
- Diminish other enmity-circumvention skills somewhat. This may even have to include Cover's SB trait, which effectively applies the same between tanks in circumventing a tank swap through optimal play.
- Slightly reduce the relative potency cost of Butcher's Block (and likely other enmity combos) and the delay of enmity application in enmity combos, perhaps in exchange for some of the actual enmity produced.

So long as it's a quickly capped table, there's no reason to use enmity skills beyond opening burst and particularly frequent obligatory tank swaps. It serves its purpose, but, yes, that means it's about as single-use as a Bard's Caustic and Storm in any continuous fight.