What does the community need?

[Awha]

Overall I think the community needs to come to terms with the fact that everyone player is different, and has their own desires for the game. I have seen so much fighting within the forums simply because ideas to do not line up and some take it as a personal attack. In short the community needs to relax.

[SilverObi]

To stop taking everything in the extreme and to get over itself. We're all here to have fun and play a game.

[Joven]

Overall I think the community needs to come to terms with the fact that everyone player is different, and has their own desires for the game. I have seen so much fighting within the forums simply because ideas to do not line up and some take it as a personal attack. In short the community needs to relax.

I agree. I posted on a thread about Monk's One Ilm Punch where I stated that I thought it would be cool if it had knockback and maybe a stun like the move Bruce Lee did that it derives its name from. I've never had so many people so up in arms about a simple suggestion. It was rediculous. People seriously need to chill on here.

Also, people need to stop with the thread titles meant to rile others up (like a certain one about Character Creation having a race problem.) All it does is create friction and unnecessary drama.

[KaivaC]

I wanna try throwing out a thought and I wanna ask if something like this could work on individual servers. Obviously I cannot participate for obvious reasons, but, I want to attempt to contribute something positive to the community, even if it's just an idea that somebody runs with.

How about something like a holiday season gift exchange during the holiday season, or a secret Santa kind of thing? Or something of that nature.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I agree. I posted on a thread about Monk's One Ilm Punch where I stated that I thought it would be cool if it had knockback and maybe a stun like the move Bruce Lee did that it derives its name from. I've never had so many people so up in arms about a simple suggestion. It was rediculous. People seriously need to chill on here.

Also, people need to stop with the thread titles meant to rile others up (like a certain one about Character Creation having a race problem.) All it does is create friction and unnecessary drama.

Probably because abilities like that may be fun for the user, however they aren't fun for other players. It gets incredibly tedious having to drag a pack of mobs to pick up the one sent off to Narnia.

[KaivaC]

Hmm... Oh well, was worth a shot. Thanks for all who came and commented. Appreciate it. Gonna go ahead and call this a dead thread. /bow

[Rockette]

Probably because abilities like that may be fun for the user, however they aren't fun for other players. It gets incredibly tedious having to drag a pack of mobs to pick up the one sent off to Narnia.

Yea... I'm pretty sure that was a reason they took the knockback effect off fluid aura and deleted blank entirely.

There were skills that used to do that @joven and they could be used to grief pretty easily. Even so, that doesn't give anyone an excuse to shut ideas down so harshly.

As for community, I think it's important to remember that these forums are a very small bubble of many ffxiv communities. Things that people are up in arms about here are often not even a blip on the radar for communities like reddit or in-game communities. The parser argument for example. This is literally the ONLY place I've ever seen people so mad about it. Everywhere else is like, how do I see my dps? Cool, cool.

Although, the one thing I did see the collective FFXIV including the JP community get angry about was removing the Need button and I guess mentors are pretty well known as being awful across all western servers.

[Shurrikhan]

I would say a need to stop taking itself so seriously. I remember posting on one thread that was essentially a troll post, but wasn't done out of spite or with malicious intent and everyone on there was vying for the OP to be banned claiming they were "fostering a negative and toxic environment".

In that sense I'd have to agree. At least at this point people are more willing to defend other points, logically, against fallacious attacks. But are even those mild-mannered, well-constructed expositions of common sense overly "serious"? I'd say not. I find only the particular snappish or fallacious posts obtuse.

I could even say that I wish the playerbase took itself more "seriously", but in a simple, "basic adherence to common decency" and/or personal responsibility sort of way -- as opposed to obligatory irony or combativeness, especially over imagined offense. But what could as easily say that'd be taking things less "seriously", at which point the word fails to do much to pin down desired ends. Oh well. At least we're up to 3k characters before we have to Edit any further clarification in.

That said (in reference to the references made by your other posts in this thread), I think people should be quick and strong to contest suggestions they find appalling. I just wish more of those reactions were more constructively -- both on the part of the reader and OP to factor, compile, and reiterate -- so that we could eventually move from agreeing upon what issues we truly have with the game as it stands to some eventual decent suggestions by which to try and solve them.

Almost any roots-up discussion on these forums withers and dies in its first couple pages, while dead-as-horse-dust factional discussions rarely leave the front page, and quickly exceed hundreds of posts. We're so eager to butt heads, yet rarely ever eager to collaborate.

[Paladinleeds]

Yea... I'm pretty sure that was a reason they took the knockback effect off fluid aura

You sure? I've just swapped to WHM and it says it deals a 15-yalm knockback. They took the damage off it though, so it's pretty much a useless spell except for the bind. But even that is useless outside of solo content (and in solo content it's marginal how useful it is). But yeah, hopefully in the next expansion, Fluid Aura gets the prune, or they make knockbacks and binds worth a darn.

[Rockette]

You sure? I've just swapped to WHM and it says it deals a 15-yalm knockback. They took the damage off it though, so it's pretty much a useless spell except for the bind. But even that is useless outside of solo content (and in solo content it's marginal how useful it is). But yeah, hopefully in the next expansion, Fluid Aura gets the prune, or they make knockbacks and binds worth a darn.

Apologies, you're right. I knew they'd taken it out of being useful, just got the details wrong.

Honestly, it's still useful for pushing stubborn ranged mobs into the group like in Library.