The conpainon app

[Luna-M]

And why aren't more people speaking out on this? why are some accepting this? The thing is I do "speak with my wallet" I do not buy this overpriced crap, but that does not seem to be working.

You know what's going to happen. People will either accept what the app is and pay for premium (whether it's voluntery or no choice), or not enough players will sub to it and SE will have no choice but to take drastic action. Additional space should not be locked behind extra costs (unless it's a retainer) as everyone has been crying for more inventory for a long time, yet we get a saddlebag that is no good in instances....

I really hope SE pay attention to all the feedback they are getting about the app.

And why aren't more people speaking out on this? why are some accepting this? The thing is I do "speak with my wallet" I do not buy this overpriced crap, but that does not seem to be working.

Personally? I honestly don't care and I know that is selfish but i just don't.
I know this is a cliche but i see it as an optional thing. I know i will at least try out premium cause i see the benefits for my playstyle and what i find enjoyable in this game.

While I can understand people's concern this is just the start I think people are overthinking. People said same with Mogstation in 2014 and there have of course been negativity regarding that plattform since it was introduced but people have learned to accept it and so will people about the app eventually.

Why is people so vocal about a app with a super niche target but €18 glam and €21 mounts or Level/MSQ skip is getting more accepted?

Yeah it would be nice getting all these features (except selling on mb, that should be restricted to counter manipulation) but it's a business decision and nothing we say or do will change their stance on that.
If no one (won't happen, hi all whales out there) sub to premium they will still keep it in. I mean just referencing the thread you linked earlier and the dozzens of threads prior to that - did that change any outcome with the app development? No it didn't.

You may disagree with me but that's the facts and how I view it at very least. I...Just don't hope this means all we gonna get is questions regarding the app or state of microtransactions on fanfest, I'd rather get Q&A about like the next expansion and in-game related questions (please no butt sliders and oranges).

Edit - But to actually answer your question and I think you know the answer as well, there no point in speaking up these days. Just like with the housing situation, pagos, and everything else in between, it feels like a BIG waste of time. They aren't listening! We don't seem like valued costumers to SE. We try to get their attention here, we try on reddit, we try on twitter, we get met with nothing but feeling like we talk to a brick wall. And there only so much yelling the player base can do before they finally just throw their hands up and walk off and that what SE wants. It their way, or the highway, simple as that.

Lowkey, I think we dig our own hole in our community. We complain on so much stuff that don't matter that they grew tired of us. Yoshida even hinted jokes at us during some LL. Sad to say, I'm not that shocked.

If you do crafting an selling on the marketboard, it is a paid advantage, as you get 20 slots for item selling with every paid retainer.

And don't forget the storage. If you really do active endgame crafting, with only 2 retainers you have to throw away alot of mats as you will run out of space. And you have to gather them again when new recipes appear. With more retainers you can store all of them. So you save time when a new patch kicks in. As faster you are ready to sell, the more gil you can make with it.

No pay2win? You really don't see the point?

No I don't. Gil isnt winning anything. I guess I've payed to win for years if we gonna say retainers is pay to win lmao.

Once you got your house (if you into that) gil serves very little to no purpose. Aside from teleporting what do you guys spend your gil on that you wouldn't be able to craft?

[ShinMetsu]

The app is such a major disappointment.
Besides groups using it as static chat, i don't see why anyone would use it.


In my opinion, the app is straight up terrible.
it just doesn't feel good to use for some reason.

The functionality is useless really, once a day i can list or buy one item? and i can only do so while not being logged in.
If i want more, then it costs about 20 cents for each item i buy/sell. That is insane.
I don't wanna pay 4 bucks to put up 20 items.

App Chat doesn't work with Ingame chat, something that guildworks has done for years.
How can the game's own developers not manage to make this happen while others can?

Premium is pretty much a waste, 1 retainer + 1 saddlebag for 5 bucks, whereas you could get like 5 retainers for that kind of money.
Rather than pay to win, this feels like pay to waste. Just another way to reach into their customers pockets.


I do see why the reviews on the app are mostly 1 star. It's complete garbage.

[Knahli]

Can you explain why you are releasing an arguably pay to win system in this game? Why does the retainers and this app cost so much? You are overcharging.

I’m honestly glad to hear this.

While I dislike the concept of playing with the market board outside of the game existing in the first place, it offers reassurance to know that it costs a lot and most people won’t even dare take advantage of it. Its bad enough competing with market sellers that are actually logged into the game, I don’t want to have to deal with people who can access it while away from their computer too while they obsessively hawk over their listings. It favours people who have way too much time on their hands even more than the system already does.

So if someone has to pay a premium just to get an even bigger advantage on the markets, I’m glad.

[Cylla]

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Yeah, I get that. We do complain about a lot but some of it is valid. Like with this app. Why should we have to pay extra? Already the mog station is overpriced, our subs and (if you have it) extra retainers that are $2 a pop. Our sub money should be more then enough to have all the bells and whistles of this app.

Again I stand behind the fact that if Blizzard has the same app and allow it player base to use ever part of it for free, this is just making SE look worse on the front and showing just how much of a money grabbing company they are being.

[Legewiel]

No I don't. Gil isnt winning anything. I guess I've payed to win for years if we gonna say retainers is pay to win lmao.

Once you got your house (if you into that) gil serves very little to no purpose. Aside from teleporting what do you guys spend your gil on that you wouldn't be able to craft?

With Gil you can't only buy a house, you can buy crafted equipments and materia to make pentameld equipment that is normally the bis equipment for the first weeks of the raid and when ppl is desperately trying to be the first to clear, so yeah Gil matters.
And the retainer advantage isn't just 20 more slots for selling, retainer can bring you materials back through the venture system, so you don't need to go get them yourself and with 8 retainers (9 with the app?) they can bring you enough material to even do some spirit bonding without much work. You can just netflix and chill on the whole process.
Oh yeah and Gil can also buy the super expensive mounts (like HoH mount that u need a lot of dedication to get) and the expensive cloths from the new aquapolis thing (i forgot the name of it, but that is also a pain to get)

[Luna-M]

With Gil you can't only buy a house, you can buy crafted equipments and materia to make pentameld equipment that is normally the bis equipment for the first weeks of the raid and when ppl is desperately trying to be the first to clear, so yeah Gil matters.

You could just craft it? If you don't want to craft it that really a you-problem tbf or ... please sit down for this.... Ask a friend to craft for you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Oh yeah and Gil can also buy the super expensive mounts (like HoH mount that u need a lot of dedication to get) and the expensive cloths from the new aquapolis thing (i forgot the name of it, but that is also a pain to get)

So vanity and lazyness not obtaining through normal means?

[Sigma-Astra]

The problem is that Yoshida is part of the board of directors now. x) So he is one of the higher ups and should kinda have a bit of a pull there..

Edit: I do understand that companies want to earn money and try everything possible, but should it come with the cost that people are already starting to see you as another EA? Reputation is something quite necessary today and if its once ruined it will be hard to get back..

It depends. We can all believe that as part of the board of directors, he has some kind of influence. But, at the same time, we don't quite know the business hierarchy that they use over in Japan and for all we know, it could just be a fancy, hollow title. He could be part of the board of directors in name, but literally have no power or control over nothing, and some companies will do that.

The title itself does not guarantee the same amount of seniority as other people in the company sometimes. So, until he states directly that he kind of screwed up himself, I'm going to just generalize and say it's the people at the very top of the company itself that controls the shareholders, accounting, net gains, etc.

[Hamada]

Personally? I honestly don't care and I know that is selfish but i just don't.
I know this is a cliche but i see it as an optional thing. I know i will at least try out premium cause i see the benefits for my playstyle and what i find enjoyable in this game.

While I can understand people's concern this is just the start I think people are overthinking. People said same with Mogstation in 2014 and there have of course been negativity regarding that plattform since it was introduced but people have learned to accept it and so will people about the app eventually.

That is the issue on your end. Some of us really care where our money is going. We are not seeing the game validate the cost they charge. For example, my girlfriend really wants the princess dress, but given the quality if it, meaning the huge clipping issues of it, with it being 18 dollars for one character, it makes it clear 18 dollars worth of effort for one character was not put in making it. It is very disrespectful to some people to be attempting to rip people off basically. It may be optional, but people also have the option to never buy newer products from said company from feeling burned. SE may be making bank now, but what does the future hold with all this bad reputation FFXIV gave as far as the future?

[LunaP]

That is the issue on your end. Some of us really care where our money is going. We are not seeing the game validate the cost they charge. For example, my girlfriend really wants the princess dress, but given the quality if it, meaning the huge clipping issues of it, with it being 18 dollars for one character, it makes it clear 18 dollars worth of effort for one character was not put in making it. It is very disrespectful to some people to be attempting to rip people off basically. It may be optional, but people also have the option to never buy newer products from said company from feeling burned. SE may be making bank now, but what does the future hold with all this bad reputation FFXIV gave as far as the future?

Ugh don't get me started on clipping lol, I agree 100% though, and 99% of any clipping issues are instantly whisked off to the "Working as intended we totally verified w/ the Dev's" section of the forums despite how much evidence or information you give/people complaining. I get whats said on these forums has to be picked up and sent over to the JP side, but I feel like information on forums gets easily dismissed as of late. Not to mention the increase of people that move to Reddit or other forums to vent since even suggestions/non heated discussions tend to get removed for reasons idk.

The only thing I even cared for w/ this app was the additional Retainer since I have 9... chocobo bag was an extra perk but you guys reminded me of the cost per retainer in mogstation, so I don't see why an extra 3$ is only giving me half the retainer space ( choco bag) and just 8 additional kupo nut storage lol, to some 3$ isn't a huge deal but to many others it can be, especially when it can be put else where.

[Luna-M]

To some 3$ isn't a huge deal but to many others it can be, especially when it can be put else where.

Skip your morning coffee once per month and you made saved your $3-5