Holding mentors accountable?

[Dualgunner]

The problem here being the majority of players in novice networks are actually mentors with the same behaviour. The rest have all abandoned that cesspool.

I could just as easily argue that the meme that the NA/EU communities are rolling garbage fires convinces most would-be mentors and people who would otherwise participate in the Novice Network to not even bother. If all you ever hear is how bad NA/EU is, and how bad their NNs are, chances are you're going to believe it and not even try.

Basically what I'm saying is, repeating this idea that NA/EU is just garbage and needs the man to come in and fix it is just as bad as whatever may be going on in the NNs themselves.

EDIT: Also a self-fulfilling prophecy. People who hear NA/EU NNs are bad won't want to participate and add what "good" to that community that they can.

[Crystal_Raven]

I could just as easily argue that the meme that the NA/EU communities are rolling garbage fires convinces most would-be mentors and people who would otherwise participate in the Novice Network to not even bother. If all you ever hear is how bad NA/EU is, and how bad their NNs are, chances are you're going to believe it and not even try.

That's what i was told. To avoid NN because it's garbage. I ignored them, assumed they just had a few bad experiences and wrote it off so I went in there for myself.

Surprise surprise, that place is practically a burning dumpster. Exactly as people warned me. I'm not even bothering to be a mentor exactly for that. That crown is more commonly associated with bad player, arrogance, ignorance rather than a skilled person willing to help.

[Dualgunner]

That's what i was told. To avoid NN because it's garbage. I ignored them, assumed they just had a few bad experiences and wrote it off so I went in there for myself.

Surprise surprise, that place is practically a burning dumpster. Exactly as people warned me. I'm not even bothering to be a mentor exactly for that. That crown is more commonly associated with bad player, arrogance, ignorance rather than a skilled person willing to help.

How many people didn't do what you did, and join in despite the warnings? Would the Novice Network have been a better place if they did ignore those as well? Would there be more people there, ready and willing to help, able to drown out trolls, if this meme that NN is just garbage and trolling didn't exist? We don't know, and we'll never know. All we know now is this meme is becoming reality simply because we all already believe it to be reality.

People say NN is garbage, therefore people who want to spread goodwill won't go there. Meaning only people who treat it like garbage are there. Meaning that NN becomes garbage.

[Ilan]

I could just as easily argue that the meme that the NA/EU communities are rolling garbage fires convinces most would-be mentors and people who would otherwise participate in the Novice Network to not even bother. If all you ever hear is how bad NA/EU is, and how bad their NNs are, chances are you're going to believe it and not even try.

Basically what I'm saying is, repeating this idea that NA/EU is just garbage and needs the man to come in and fix it is just as bad as whatever may be going on in the NNs themselves.

EDIT: Also a self-fulfilling prophecy. People who hear NA/EU NNs are bad won't want to participate and add what "good" to that community that they can.

I was exactly 2 hours mentor when it came out. I read all that crap they wrote, instead of helping new players, and left again. Now i would only join the NN if i would level another character to have some laugh or facepalm moments.

[ManuelBravo]

The problem here being the majority of players in novice networks are actually mentors with the same behaviour. The rest have all abandoned that cesspool.

One of the many risk when playing online games; it's a sad thing, yet true all you can do is black list or move on for now :/...that or sprouts should find a decent FC -.- yet sometimes FC's can be even worse.

[LalaRu]

...all you can do is black list or move on ...

You also can report them, and let GM decide which action is appropriate for the reported Mentor(s).

[ManuelBravo]

You also can report them, and let GM decide which action is appropriate for the reported Mentor(s).

As a mentor it's sad to read these things, however people do have to realize that most players that are trolls are just poor excuse of human being that really have no output in life do to their crummy life, have no social life, and feel some sense of power over harassing other people. Best thing to do is report them to GM so they can take action. Many thing it does no good, however the more people file the same complain about the same person, as in get whole novice network to agree and file a gm report right away about the same player, most GM's will take action that same day.

I did mention that -.-/

[Ilyrian]

I'd wouldn't be so quick to lump the NA/EU together.

My experiences of the Cerberus NN (EU) has been pretty positive - it's active and generally well behaved.
I've played WoW on both NA and EU servers and there's definitely a difference in the player base. *Not saying one is better than the other* but they are certainly different.
I think the broader mix of cultures and languages in the EU definitely has an influence on it.

The NN in this game is basically General Chat - which I think is important in an MMO. I think not having a presence of other people in the game world makes this game even more claustrophobic.

[KaivaC]

True, other MMOs do indeed have a general chat. Maybe the novice network needs to go in that direction? Something like an opt in feature. Are channels like this moderated in other MMOs, though?

[KaivaC]

At some point, I do want to become a mentor....but, at the same time, the negative stigma behind the crown makes me also not ever want to have it on either. Simply, because it would be easier to just help people without it on then receive any unnecessary and misplaced flack because a choice few people ruined it for everyone else.

Ah, I missed this. Sorry about that. Don't get discouraged from being a mentor. It really isn't bad at all. Really, as long as your helpful be knowledgeable, you're already a mentor. Intent and correct information is what's important, not a crown. But I do understand that a crown could help, too.

There are a lot of helpful mentors. It's just that from my perspective, being a sprout all over again, things I've seen are just pretty off putting to say the least.