New abilities in next xpac?

[KaldeaSahaline]

Could not agree more. In particular I want to see skills which highlight tank identity while striking some balance between tanking and contributing damage.

Example: Making a skill like "shield oath" be a maintainable buff through a job mechanic which increases your block rate and enhances enmity achieves "tank stance" without having "tank stance". Need to tank swap? Stop maintaining the buff. Suddenly Paladin has a lore driven tanking ability matching its theme which is also thematically different from dark knight and warrior abilities.

I would also like to see our existing oGCD buttons take on more abilities/have more effects/absorb other abilities.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ork-%28LONG%29

Feel free to read for fun - Fully redesigned PLD based on similar methodologies. Skip to the end to see the PLD rework, the beginning is mostly shower thoughts on encounter and systems design.

[SiriusSaltstice]

New abilities I want for the tanks:

Paladin: Rebirth or Resurgence: Paladin Battle Raise
Dark Knight: Dread Spikes: (Whenever DRK gets hit absorbs a portion of the enemy HP.)
Warrior: War Roar (AOE Stun and defense down -5%)

I think PLD raise would be dumb, since unless its insta cast with a long CD, having them sit there and raise someone would destroy their damage. It would also make the devs stunt their dps like RDM

And giving WAR a trick attack like ability would solidify it even further into the meta.

[SiriusSaltstice]

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The big issue with tank stance is that the extra mitigation/enmity generation is wholly unnecessary once you learn a fight. Nothing (except maybe for the ultimates) throw out damage at you to the point you can consider tank stance, since all 3 tanks have a powerful CD kit. You can shirk for added aggro which combined with swapping and dps/healer enmity CDs, it makes emnity a joke. Careful CD planning allows you to mitigate almost anything while planning ahead.

Tank stance isnt useless at all though. It's a powerful tool because it helps with progression; it's better to be safe and sorry and if you dont know a fight or if the party starts to struggle, it's okay to turn it on for safety. But after you learn the fight, it's useless, and trying to force it to be relevant 24/7 would just ruin tank gameplay in my opinion.

It's limiting to try and lock other abilities to tank stances. I remember reading a post on how sheltron/ blocking should be locked to shield oath and req to sword oath and it sounded horrid since it would make PLD boring as all hell. Even though Fell Cleave is locked to Deliverance, it still doesnt hurt a WAR to enter Defiance of needed because of unchained. And WAR's kit without inner beast is great, its not just because of holmgang( though it is a big reason why.)

[Kabooa]

I also want to see the introduction of mechanics that take more consideration to use, though we're going to have to see another culling to get some of these buttons off the bar.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see the very basic skills of a Job be locked in and then 4-5 abilities are chosen to supplement it. Sort of how people envisioned the role system.

[Zyneste]

Wrong thread.

[Marxam]

As a war I would prefer to get:

-One weapon skill for Deliverance, preferably that line fire orb aoe that we saw in the 3.0 job quests.
-One weapon skill for Defiance, preferably, Rampage which was a skill in 1.0 for MRD that increased crit and parry rate as long as you didn't move.
-A party wide buff.
-Rework to existing skills either via traits.

[PatronasCharm]

So as far as for what I wish for RDM:

-Unique ways to use the White / Black Manameter for "Abilities"

• *Enfire - 20 Black Meter >> Sword ignited in Fire, strikes enemy and reduces Attack by 10%
  
• *Enstone - 20 White Meter >> Sword consumed by Stone, strikes enemy and reduces Defense by 10%

• *Verfreeze >> AoE Ancient Finisher: 40/40 White and Black Meter or Sword Rotation

[KaldeaSahaline]

I could live without new abilities if it mean getting a drastic changes.

[Shurrikhan]

I'd rather see fewer abilities able to give greater total complexity than more abilities to give less.

Besides that...

I'd like to see Role Actions removed, for starters, if they're going to remain as shallow yet obligatory. And all maintenance abilities (not spells or weaponskills) such as Lucid Dreaming, Invigorate, etc., with more, job-specific ways to affect MP regeneration and more ways to conserve and regenerate TP, TP itself reworked, or intertwined AoE and ST as not to put resource limitations solely on physical AoE.

Anything which then leaves leveling feeling notably disjointed should in turn be adjusted. Delirium comes to mind, though less than before, as does Defiance-dropping.

[Tanks don't need Enmity Combos] Enmity itself reworked to be based on elements of mob visibility such as positioning (visible, when contributing, to the mob directly, peripherally, or not at all; where WHM's Mist Cloak or Ninja's Smokescreen, by reducing visibility, then make the affected player's enmity even more "slippery") and "aura" (i.e. you, as a tank, are just really noticeable), whereby one can split their enmity output with stacked allies, mitigate said enmity by blindsiding, and tank-swap through well-timed positional replacement. Tanks' "tank stances" made far deeper and more utilitarian in nature, offering considerably more to depth of gameplay. All come to use the gauge in some way, and have neither global cooldown costs nor ability cooldowns longer than a GCD.

[What happens to enmity combos] Physical attacks now "stagger" enemy physical attacks, sapping their damage potential based on direct damage dealt/taken. Tanks' former "enmity" skills tend to lead in this regard, replacing the previous purpose with on-demand mitigation. Each point of Stagger taken increases a mob's Stagger Resistance stat, however, which then drains as the Stagger itself does. Thus, this works as a smoother form of CC. Attacks with little Stagger are best for setting up bursts of Stagger, while those with high Stagger are best for capitalizing thereupon and shutting down attacks. Note: Stagger applies as the animation begins (to hit the enemy), but does not begin to drain until the animation has finished (hitting the enemy); this makes skills like Butcher's Block and Rage of Halone particularly useful.

[What surrounds that] Virtually all attacks can be intercepted. This means that sometimes a tank's job isn't merely to stack up an arbitrary metric and meat-shield for others while aiming cleaves away, but rather to rush between mobs and their focused targets.

Gameplay-enabling abilities such as BotD, Enochian, and Gauss Barrel changed to traits. Many gameplay-centric traits moved up in level, to be built upon near to their former level of acquisition by further gameplay traits.

Certain abilities' cooling speeds now scale with one's GCD. This includes solely rotational skills or ones that would be disproportionately negatively affected (i.e. bottlenecked) by certain breakpoints in attack speed. For instance, Life Surge would now read "20 Turns", rather than "50 seconds". At a 2.40 GCD throughout the time it was cooling, it would therefore cool within 48 seconds. All animation times now also scale with GCD speed, to the nearest twentieth of a second. Note that all animations are currently rendered in 60 frames per second. [Until such time as animation breakpoints can be blended, a normally .8-second (50-frame) animation would then be reduced to .7 seconds (40 frames, frames 1, 6, 11, 16, 21, 26, 31, 36, 41, 46 redacted) if playing at a 2-second GCD, for instance.] Atop higher client-side trust when queuing actions, this should make double-weaving consistently possible and of far more consistent uptime cost whether playing at 30 ms or 200.

[shao32]

my hope for next expansion is a total rework of tank stances and agro management in general not just spread the responsability across the roles, have reasons to use our emity combos and tank stances in general and not being just a big gap betwen skillfull and average tanks.

im hoping too for a overhaul on tank balance specially having a eye on WAR performance, no more the best on everything, the middle and the worse on everything tank pattern again with WAR ahead, proper balance and fair distribution of utility skills according of they DPS-mitigation potential and the capacity of being flexible.