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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    You paint a picture of a developer that is damaged goods and completely inept. You post on a forum that requires you to pay a monthly fee for said developers game in order to post. Your giving someone you think all these horrible things about your hard earned money each month? Even MORE curious, you state he has screwed you more than just this past time. And yet you remain. I would spend less time questioning this Yoshi fellow, and more time questioning the decisions your making, because, by your own admission, they are foolish and unwise.

    Make sure the 25 people that gave you the thumbs up join you.
    Jesus christ why don't you go bump your own thread asking for a poll so you can see that 70-80% of people in that too still don't want the crappy option 4, instead of flaming me for a post I made after the initial announcement and before any of Yoshida's posts since then which all apologized to the community for what was admittedly an insensitive and highly controversial decision

    I guess I missed the part where I said he was damaged goods or completely inept, or that I didn't like the game or even that I would quit if I didn't get my way. I like a lot of things about the game, and his decisions. However several of his decisions have been very harmful to linkshells including the stupid personal loot lists for primals and his initial proposal for how server merges were handled.

    People overwhelmingly disapproved and he changed his mind. The only reason that people didn't do the same for personal loot lists is because the primal loot is not needed or that important to linkshells, as soon as we get that loot expect it to be an issue of similar magnitude (but more than likely they will abandon it before then, because again the vast majority of people overwhelmingly dislike the primal loot system).

    The difference between me and you is that I do give up fights I can't win, like I think exp should be much harder to come by and the path to max level should both take longer and encourage grouping more than it does. But I see that isn't likely to happen, and I'm just glad they have actually given those of us who like traditional MMO grouping the option to do so without severely handicapping ourselves (as in other MMO's).

    I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.

    Face it we were right, and Yoshida now at least recognizes how much of a problem it is. That's why this forum exists as much as you hate it when things don't go your way. Yet ironically you come here and flame me for whining...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kraggy View Post
    Only thing that's obvious is people like you are clueless and simply intent on finding something to whine about.
    And yet the majority of people also felt a need to "whine about it" maybe because it wasn't something that was insignificant to them, but posed a serious problem for them and the friends they played with.

    Whatever, you can continue to attack me it doesn't bother me because in the end people that actually make the decisions on these things actually listened to our concerns, despite the best efforts of sycophantic white knights like yourself to use your little personal attacks to derail the debate. Maybe next time try arguing on the merits of the position you take instead of just hurling insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murugan View Post
    I don't beg for a player poll to reaffirm my position on the matter which is in the obvious minority.
    Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.

    Also, look up on the internet the phrase "Painting a picture" and find out how thats different from me actually saying thats what you said word for word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    Nope, instead you make fictional assumptions and accusations about things that have happened to the developer in the past based on pure emotion instead of rationality. And I never really cared which of the four options he chose, I would have just rather he picked a desicion and stuck with it, or asked EVERYONE, not just people like yourself that like developing fictional back stories for the developer that help them cope with reality. If the end result is that the majority of the people get what they want with the server merger, I dont really care how it comes about. The purpose of the post your reffering to was to point out how I am afraid of what could happen to the game if Yoshi uses just these forums (which contain "AWSOME" OP's like the one you have going here) to base his desicions on to alter major parts of the game. The fact that you missed that part doesn't actually suprise me at all though.
    Please you only wish he "made a decision and stuck with it" because you are in the minority that supported it.

    I do apologize for my "fictional back story" since clearly you have no sense of humor at all. Pretty sure the decision to change direction back to a normal server merger with transfers wasn't made because of any OP, but rather because of the overwhelming support for that option.

    The last post on this thread before you was from 11 am, you hunted for it and revived the thread simply so you could flame me. You just wanted attention, admit it. This thread was buried, and irrelevant since Yoshida not only said they are going to base the merges off of option 2 (the exact option we all were advocating for before he even brought it up) but actually apologized.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murugan View Post
    Please you only wish he "made a decision and stuck with it" because you are in the minority that supported it.

    I do apologize for my "fictional back story" since clearly you have no sense of humor at all. Pretty sure the decision to change direction back to a normal server merger with transfers wasn't made because of any OP, but rather because of the overwhelming support for that option.

    The last post on this thread before you was from 11 am, you hunted for it and revived the thread simply so you could flame me. You just wanted attention, admit it. This thread was buried, and irrelevant since Yoshida not only said they are going to base the merges off of option 2 (the exact option we all were advocating for before he even brought it up) but actually apologized.
    First I would like to apologize that I have responded to you more than once as far as flaming goes. In that respect, your totally right, it was poor form, but its been tough keeping each and every post like this strait today. Second, sarcasm does not translate AT ALL in print, which may explain why people took your initial OP so seriously. Having read it more than a few times now, it does sound like your totally going off on the guy, as opposed to just poking fun. This may explain the number of people that have jumped on this post in opposition to what you have stated. Lastly, I never actually said which one of the options Yoshi was debating on I like best. Truth be told, I personally don't care. Each of them would have suited my personal needs, including option 4, which is why I wasnt hating on it.

    If anything I never thought I would see the day that many people would rage out over being given the total freedom to go where ever they wanted as opposed to being forced to go somewhere. Lastly, you and everyone else have no idea what the minority or majority is because these forums are only a tiny fraction of the player base. The post itself isn't irrelivant because its still on the main tab on the official forum page without some edit by you saying "Never mind they are gonna give me what I want now"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggs View Post
    First I would like to apologize that I have responded to you more than once as far as flaming goes. In that respect, your totally right, it was poor form, but its been tough keeping each and every post like this strait today. Second, sarcasm does not translate AT ALL in print, which may explain why people took your initial OP so seriously. Having read it more than a few times now, it does sound like your totally going off on the guy, as opposed to just poking fun. This may explain the number of people that have jumped on this post in opposition to what you have stated. Lastly, I never actually said which one of the options Yoshi was debating on I like best. Truth be told, I personally don't care. Each of them would have suited my personal needs, including option 4, which is why I wasnt hating on it.

    If anything I never thought I would see the day that many people would rage out over being given the total freedom to go where ever they wanted as opposed to being forced to go somewhere. Lastly, you and everyone else have no idea what the minority or majority is because these forums are only a tiny fraction of the player base. The post itself isn't irrelivant because its still on the main tab on the official forum page without some edit by you saying "Never mind they are gonna give me what I want now"
    I didn't put it on the front page. The OP was intentional however, it was meant to bring to attention how this issue (and others in the past) affects linkshells and communities. I don't feel a need to edit it, people simply should not be so quickly to jump all over anyone who lays out criticism.

    Never once have I said this game was no good, or insulted anyone for playing it. I'm not here to troll, I just wanted to bring to attention how serious this issue was for me, and it is a serious issue for a lot of people. I guess I can't prove without a doubt that I am among the majority on this issue, however based on the forums across all languages and what polling has been done it would certainly seem that way. Also if you had seen Selbina's chat when the plan was initially announced there were a lot of people deeply concerned there too.

    Maybe you don't care about our issue, or the people on your server even since it is so small and struggling that maybe most can't wait to get on it no matter what they have to sacrifice. Many of us had a serious problem with how they planned to do it though, and so we made our position. I laid out my reasoning throughout this thread and others while others only flamed me for having a disagreement with the announcement. Literally there were no arguments in favor of option 4 being posted until the next day when people came up with the idea that it would somehow lead to more balanced servers (which is silly frankly because that never happens during MMO's launches which uses the same system as "option 4"). If you read through the thread (which used to be several pages longer before the mods intervened) it was mostly people saying:

    "This is set in stone, stop complaining!"

    Which obviously wasn't the case.
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