Remaster old raids/trials/whatever for fun new midcore content.

[DaulBan]

Something something mythic something WoW something whatever.

Look all I want is for them to do some scaling factor on old raids so that I can do them at current level cap and not be forced to dance the death of level sync in order to experience older content. I'd love to go back and do Midas for fun but if you gave me an option between doing A5S or A6S at level 60 and taking a bath with a toaster well the answer might shock you.

So instead of dragging every poor soul that says 'hey remember how goddamn terrifying Vortexer was?' down into the depression and sadness of playing an incomplete job just scale the fights up. It doesn't have to be clean or well tuned, I mean like... Midas fights have all their enemies with 5-6x multipliers and do 3x as much damage. Creator enemies have 4-5x as much health and do 2.5x more damage, or something in that order. It doesn't have to be fine tuned, just a better option than the toaster bath that is ilvl sync.

You don't even need to add new rewards because (most) of the Alex gear looks pretty sweet. Maybe throw a title in for clearing all the fights or something, I dunno.

I love the content in this game but as time goes on all of the old stuff becomes so old that just doing it is a pain. Yeah, sure, old fights might have mechanics that aren't as impressive now because of how much stronger jobs are but given the choice between power creep and never doing the fights in the first place I'll take the creep.

The scaling doesn't need to be that accurate and it only needs to get updated either once an even patch (if you want to keep difficulty the same across the expansion) or just at the beginning of the expac and add an ilvl sync. I don't like dropping from i370 to i310 more than anyone but it's not toaster level of displeasure, I would still do it.

tl;dr gimme old content scaled up so I can convince myself to do it and not have a terrible time.

Answers to some questions that may get asked:

Q. why not do it ilvl synced?
A. Doing any Coil fight with a level 50 job would give me measles.

Q. This would take too much away from current content development.
A. This might actually be true because we're a couple months out from the start of this patch and Pagos is so late in the term the game might as well be pushing out a toddler.

Q. I don't like raid content
A. I don't like you

Q. The above two questions are actually statements.
A. Ligma.

[Nezerius]

I'd rather have the devs work on new content, instead of attempting to tune old content to the current lvl, as syncing is already a thing.

[Rockette]

I'd rather have the devs work on new content, instead of attempting to tune old content to the current lvl, as syncing is already a thing.

Actually, as much as I hate level synching, and sincerely miss when Savage was actually savage, I have to agree with this post. The dev's have often cited lack of resources.

Other than that I think the idea is cool.

[DaulBan]

I don't think it would be fun and it definitely wouldn't be new except in a very superficial sense. I'm not paying a sub in the hopes that they rehash old content endlessly instead of giving me something new.

Does it have to be new though? Combat content is for fighting, and while the concept of Creator or Midas or Gordias might not be new it would be a new set of content to play in for the sake of playing, to progress, to try. We don't get new content anyways outside of what I would call a pitiful sum anyways, exchanging a dungeon for introducing six tiers worth of adjusted content for people to prog on is a decent trade. Obviously it'd be more work than one dungeon (I'd assume, I'm not on the dev team) but it would be a substantial amount of content.

Also I don't pay my sub so that filthy crafters get to waste 40 million gil on the RNG game of melding their gear to craft throwaway items that strictly exist to be gil sinks but here I am 3 years into this game still throwing money at it on a monthly basis. We all pay for things we don't want lol.

Not saying they should or shouldn't do it - but i think it's a much bigger job than you're assuming. When they could just be adding new stuff catered for current job builds.

Fair, specifically in the defensive area with tanks, and some additional healing tools. It's likely that the content would be easier than originally implemented, but personally I don't think they'd need to change much if anything at all in terms of mechanics. Things can be easier, they don't have to be as hard as they were in the past.

I'd rather have the devs work on new content, instead of attempting to tune old content to the current lvl, as syncing is already a thing.

As I mentioned in my initial post, ilvl sync changing your actual level is not so good and makes doing the older content at a reasonable level a bit of a pain (having to get a full set of gear at a lower ilvl, that sort of thing) and is a fairly large gate to people who want to enjoy old content without the whole 'my kit doesn't exist' problem.

newer stuff is always better than old stuff with some paint on it.

Getting anything new to do at all (be it in strictly new content or more things to do) would be better than what we have now. Speaking personally as a fan of 8 man raid content at least.

[Nezerius]

As I mentioned in my initial post, ilvl sync changing your actual level is not so good and makes doing the older content at a reasonable level a bit of a pain (having to get a full set of gear at a lower ilvl, that sort of thing) and is a fairly large gate to people who want to enjoy old content without the whole 'my kit doesn't exist' problem.

Which is what I addressed in my reply. Your suggestion to retune content for the current level would cost resources that would otherwise be spent on new content.
You already state that SE doesn't add enough of your preferred content, but that amount would be lower if they were to spend resources on your suggestion.

Also, you only pay for access to the server. What SE does with your money is up to them.

[Nixxe]

Does it have to be new though? Combat content is for fighting, and while the concept of Creator or Midas or Gordias might not be new it would be a new set of content to play in for the sake of playing, to progress, to try. We don't get new content anyways outside of what I would call a pitiful sum anyways, exchanging a dungeon for introducing six tiers worth of adjusted content for people to prog on is a decent trade. Obviously it'd be more work than one dungeon (I'd assume, I'm not on the dev team) but it would be a substantial amount of content.

Also I don't pay my sub so that filthy crafters get to waste 40 million gil on the RNG game of melding their gear to craft throwaway items that strictly exist to be gil sinks but here I am 3 years into this game still throwing money at it on a monthly basis. We all pay for things we don't want lol.

One of the big reasons I quit WoW is because the game has shifted almost entirely to offering a little bit of content with inexhaustible rewards that's meant for you to do it endlessly. It's incredibly boring, no matter how good the rewards are.

[Ilyrian]

Q. why not do it ilvl synced?
A. Doing any Coil fight with a level 50 job would give me measles.

But isn't that the point - the fights were designed around a certain job build at the time - if you go in with level 70 skills and talents it won't exactly be an authentic experience.

Just upping the boss HP won't stop certain mechanics being trivialized by more and stronger aoe healing, AST cards, raid-wide buffs added post-50 etc.

The devs would, in essence, have to rework the fights entirely to cater for the new skills and party formations which seems counter-productive when the original fight is still there, in tact.
Not saying they should or shouldn't do it - but i think it's a much bigger job than you're assuming. When they could just be adding new stuff catered for current job builds.

[BillyKaplan]

But isn't that the point - the fights were designed around a certain job build at the time - if you go in with level 70 skills and talents it won't exactly be an authentic experience.

A lot of the jobs at level 50 now aren't what they were when the content was released. Not saying this is an argument in favor of this, just that the original, intended experience has been lost to the ages.

[JunseiKei]

But isn't that the point - the fights were designed around a certain job build at the time - if you go in with level 70 skills and talents it won't exactly be an authentic experience.

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'd not want to do Coil nowadays at minimum level/ilvl. Did them as WHM - I had stoneskin back then and the extra mitigation was needed. Anyone remember double prey in T10 with Imdugud? I do, and I remember how fast they came out. So yeah, the statement is true that fights were designed around certain job builds at the time, that doesn't exactly translate to still being able to do it without certain things to make up for things lost (like an AST with noct sect can handle both, I think or a SCH saving swiftcast for the second prey might work as well). Jeeze, I remember stoneskinning everyone for Megaflare in T9 and flipping a coin to see if people stayed alive or died without it.

Would still rather see completely new content (and Ultima Weapon Ultimate being exactly how I would have wanted Ultima Weapon the first time around and being slightly miffed about that).

[Iscah]

I'd love to go back and do Midas for fun but if you gave me an option between doing A5S or A6S at level 60 and taking a bath with a toaster well the answer might shock you.

Given that particular set of options and your implied answer, it may not be us getting shocked...



But probably the easist way to achieve what you want is to run it unsynched with a smaller party than the intended eight-man team.