Its about the Duskwight Elezen.

[Sla1n]

I completed msq, HW and SB. I have lvl 70 DRK NIN and now i am doing monk and Lancer. One day when i was in lvling roulette i meet a Duskwight Elezen player. And it hit me (not the player the realization). That i was seeing a Duskwight Elezen for the first time since Foulques (also the only notable Duskwight Elezen NPC who i can remember).
Where are they? They live in caves that's the only thing i remember about them. Are they so few or just simply forgotten. There are so many cat's and dragons and Loli's why there is so few Duskwight Elezen? Not even in Gridania so it must be true that all Gridanian's are xenophobes but the rest of the Eorzea too?
Also sorry for not including tag's i have no idea what to write.

[Vidu]

There are probably two (main) reasons for this:

First, as you noted correctly, the Duskwight Elezen live in caves, to be more specific: In caves/ruins that were once the underground city of Gelmorra, where the elezen were forced to live when the elementals kicked them out of the forest. When they finally struck a pact with the elementals that allowed them to return to the overworld and built Gridania, some stayed behind, not wanting to abandon what they've built and those are the ancestors of the Duskwight, who are still upholding this belief. Or in other words: They have no desire to live in big cities and the like, so naturally we dont see them there.

Secondly due to their... life-style, a lot of Duskwight resort to stealing, so they're not really well liked by the "civilized" cityfolks. Thats especially the case in Gridania, with the Wildwood elezen looking down on their supposdly "lesser" brothers (yep, a bunch of xenophobic nazis, thats what Gridania is, basically) but also for other citystates - I recall a questline in Ul'dah (maybe one of the mail-moogle ones? Or Hilli even? Or the Beasttribe-quest? Not sure anymore) that involved something being stolen with the suspicion being cast immidiatly on a Duskwight Elezen. They pretty much have a bad reputation everywhere.
So they're not excatly very well liked, but outcasts.

They dont seem to have a desire to live/stay/be in the cities and the cities have no desire to have them around either. So its no surprise to rarely see them...


Edit: I did some digging and the quest I had in mind is "Sudul Eht Nioj", indeed a Delivery Moogle Quest involving the gladiators from Halatli HM. Langloisiert, the lancer, is a Duskwight elezen aswell - I dont wanna spoil the rest, but you might wanna do that quest to get an idea about how Duskwights are treated in the cities!

[zuzu-bq]

The player population on Duskwight is nice because it reflects a bit of their lore. They aren't around much and people will see them as odd and impure. There is actual racism on them on the lore, and that's pretty neat to me, makes the world feel more real because people will be jerks even on a fantasy world. You'll have the most of their lore on Side Quests inlcluding information about Gelmorra. A lot of the worldbuilding is done throught side quests, do check them out!

On top of that, Duskwights are a recent ramification of Elezen (they were "born" after the War of Magi, which is a quite recent calamity).

[Sla1n]

There are probably two (main) reasons for this:

First, as you noted correctly, the Duskwight Elezen live in caves, to be more specific: In caves/ruins that were once the underground city of Gelmorra, where the elezen were forced to live when the elementals kicked them out of the forest. When they finally struck a pact with the elementals that allowed them to return to the overworld and built Gridania, some stayed behind, not wanting to abandon what they've built and those are the ancestors of the Duskwight, who are still upholding this belief. Or in other words: They have no desire to live in big cities and the like, so naturally we dont see them there.

Secondly due to their... life-style, a lot of Duskwight resort to stealing, so they're not really well liked by the "civilized" cityfolks. Thats especially the case in Gridania, with the Wildwood elezen looking down on their supposdly "lesser" brothers (yep, a bunch of xenophobic nazis, thats what Gridania is, basically) but also for other citystates - I recall a questline in Ul'dah (maybe one of the mail-moogle ones? Or Hilli even? Or the Beasttribe-quest? Not sure anymore) that involved something being stolen with the suspicion being cast immidiatly on a Duskwight Elezen. They pretty much have a bad reputation everywhere.
So they're not excatly very well liked, but outcasts.

They dont seem to have a desire to live/stay/be in the cities and the cities have no desire to have them around either. So its no surprise to rarely see them...


Edit: I did some digging and the quest I had in mind is "Sudul Eht Nioj", indeed a Delivery Moogle Quest involving the gladiators from Halatli HM. Langloisiert, the lancer, is a Duskwight elezen aswell - I dont wanna spoil the rest, but you might wanna do that quest to get an idea about how Duskwights are treated in the cities!

Hmmm oke thanks for the info though i think SE should put some love into them too. I am sick of the Cat's and how much screen time they get.

[zuzu-bq]

Funny enough the player population on miqo'te also reflects their lore decently. Miqo'tes are literally everywhere around Erozea. It's like SE knew cat people would be a popular race :^)

[ObsidianFire]

One of the big things to remember about Gridania is that the city is only there because its inhabitants follow the Elementals' rules. And the Elementals are very much not human (spoken). They have a very hard time telling individual people apart and tend to think less in terms of persons and more in terms of people. So pretty much what one person does, everyone does. This puts a lot of pressure on Gridania's leaders to make sure the Elementals aren't angered by what people who are living in the Twelveswood, but not living in Grindania do. Particularly when non-Gridanias do things the Elementals don't want them to do (cut down trees that shouldn't be cut, hunt game the Elementals havn't given them permission to hunt, etc.). And that's not counting when they break more normal rules (banditry, stealing, etc.).

The Duskwight never trusted the Elementals when they said everyone could leave Gelmora once the Padaji started to be born. So they stayed out of it and did their own thing in Gelmora. But Gelmora had lost the majority of its population to Gridania, so things started to break down and the Duskwight had to leave. This resulted in them living in the Twelveswood, but not wanting to cooperate with the majority of the people who lived there.

The Keepers of the Moon are in a similar situation. While we do see lots of Miqo'te NPCs, most of them are Seekers of the Sun. There are very few named Keeper NPCs. The place we see the most unnamed Keepers is in the South Shroud. They're all enemy NPCs and the main reason they are enemies is because they poach against the Elementals' will.

[Vidu]

Hmmm oke thanks for the info though i think SE should put some love into them too. I am sick of the Cat's and how much screen time they get.

While I wouldnt mind seeing less of the cats, I kinda like how "diverse" and, in a sense, consistent the game is. I think the only reason that I remember that quest is that I was still playing a Duskwight Elezen when I did it and actually felt a little "offended" by it, which was great!

I totally wouldnt mind finding a hidden entrance to parts of Gelmorra and a small Duskwight civiliuation within it to learn more about their lore without contradicting that by putting them in places that they "dont belong".

...also... for HW you mainly had Elezen screentime! Not Duskwight but Wildwood, but almost no cats thanks to Ishgards xenophobic nature.
...which makes me wonder right now if (Wildwood) Elezen just have a gene for xenophobia...

[Sla1n]

One of the big things to remember about Gridania is that the city is only there because its inhabitants follow the Elementals' rules. And the Elementals are very much not human (spoken). They have a very hard time telling individual people apart and tend to think less in terms of persons and more in terms of people. So pretty much what one person does, everyone does. This puts a lot of pressure on Gridania's leaders to make sure the Elementals aren't angered by what people who are living in the Twelveswood, but not living in Grindania do. Particularly when non-Gridanias do things the Elementals don't want them to do (cut down trees that shouldn't be cut, hunt game the Elementals havn't given them permission to hunt, etc.). And that's not counting when they break more normal rules (banditry, stealing, etc.).

The Duskwight never trusted the Elementals when they said everyone could leave Gelmora once the Padaji started to be born. So they stayed out of it and did their own thing in Gelmora. But Gelmora had lost the majority of its population to Gridania, so things started to break down and the Duskwight had to leave. This resulted in them living in the Twelveswood, but not wanting to cooperate with the majority of the people who lived there.

The Keepers of the Moon are in a similar situation. While we do see lots of Miqo'te NPCs, most of them are Seekers of the Sun. There are very few named Keeper NPCs. The place we see the most unnamed Keepers is in the South Shroud. They're all enemy NPCs and the main reason they are enemies is because they poach against the Elementals' will.

I had to agree on not trusting something you can't see or touch. Even if its real. I have a motto if i can't kill it stay clear of it! But seriously i find it very infuriating this
"i am better than you because your dad skin is black thing".

[zuzu-bq]

"i am better than you because your dad skin is black thing".

It's far more complex than that. Gridanians know Duskwight rejected the wills of the elementals and resorted into living far from their rules. And this is why they're rejected and discriminated. And some duskwight travel the world as poachers, it doesn't really help to keep their image clean outside the Shroud.

[Sla1n]

It's far more complex than that. Gridanians know Duskwight rejected the wills of the elementals and resorted into living far from their rules. And this is why they're rejected and discriminated. And some duskwight travel the world as poachers, it doesn't really help to keep their image clean outside the Shroud.

We are the warrior of light. Protector of the innocent. Also slayer of Gods!....and several thousand of people and animal and elemental! For petty reasons like wanting their hide and parts. The game if we look at it this way is very real life like. Our society will look the other way if we benefit the whole. Those poachers surely don't have a family and don't need to eat regularly. I am not saying its good to do it but saying they are bad is wrong. I remember i think in ARR when i was asked to meet with a so called poacher and it was a Cat(duno what tribe) and we could converse like normal.
What i want to say is i want to see them more aktive in the story line.