State of the Game: Savage+ Dungeons and End Game Leves

[Remedi]

It might be that CM were aimed at a specific playerbase, but then why they changed it in wod and then in legion and now in BFA nothing changed?

It means that partecipation was lower than expected it's stupid to think that a 1% variance from bronze to gold is not something blizzard won't consider about. some dungeons had 45 mins to be completed for bronze and with a weekly quest on it to boot to be a carrot.

As for OW. I'm sorry but It's a terrible blizzard game and it's a fact, it can be named best selling game ever, game of the unverse it'll remain a terrible blizzard game and anything you say about it wrong.

Diablo 3 was fastest best selling game when it came out, didn't meant it was any good btw, everyone knows the problem of D3 launch and how the economy of that game was.

You think I'm biased about it? Plenty of ppl have analyzed recent blizzard trend and finding that blizzard has abandoned quality for money making. When you take SC1-Brood war, WC2, WC3-TFT and SC2 even in the crippled state it was released and you compare it to what OW offer I'm afraid you see the problem. You may like OW and that's your opinion, but it remains from their own ammission a game that was made by the salvaged by the rmains of the failed titan project and sold with nothing that makes blizzard game great aside art-style.
What's worse is that they've shown they can create a story mode with coop campaign for OW and what they do? It's closed off to events. Is it correct I ask you? No it isn't, many ppl are finding this unaccpetable and I do too. Frankly it's not evolution it's a deevolution. That company has changed for the worse and what's worse it doesn't matter what they do They'll sell millions.
Look at the state that the new squish system released in on wow after months of PTR and Beta that is not acceptable do they need another 10 years like they needed to fix an expansion launch? How many years they need till they'll start not needing to nerf every raid boss every 2 weeks? I blame SE too on this, but I'm worse on blizzard because of how long they've been in the sector.
I'm afraid that I follow blizzard too closely to not unsee the problems at the same levels you are showing me. I've been a consumer of those games for the better part of my life and I'm afraid it's been going badly in recent years with it becoming worse and worse.

You are free of having your opinion, but I'm afraid I really can't see the world as you see it, actually you confirm me that they can do pretty much whatever they want ppl won't care

And frankly explain to me how bethesda can waste time on a decent campaign for DOOM but blizzard can't be arsed to do the same for a new IP, you know something they are universally known as good at but w/e

[KisaiTenshi]

Your analysis is incredibly juvenile. Have you played OW? Are you even a fan of the genre? OW won GotY and was incredibly well designed. It may not have a single player campaign, but you somehow think that makes it a shit product because it doesn't cater to you specifically?

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More juvenile analysis and irrational bias.

Please leave the thread if you're going to keep being rude. This may be the WoW feature you would want Yoshi-P to steal from WoW, but if this is the kind of attitude you present it with, of course there is going to be push back. You and Bourne always turn threads about how to make the game better into "make everything a DPS sponge, only numbers matter, story doesn't, please yoshi-p make all content only completable by 0.1% of the player base."

As for OW. I'm sorry but It's a terrible blizzard game and it's a fact, it can be named best selling game ever, game of the unverse it'll remain a terrible blizzard game and anything you say about it wrong.

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You are free of having your opinion, but I'm afraid I really can't see the world as you see it, actually you confirm me that they can do pretty much whatever they want ppl won't care

And frankly explain to me how bethesda can waste time on a decent campaign for DOOM but blizzard can't be arsed to do the same for a new IP, you know something they are universally known as good at but w/e

Blizzard does a good job of marketing OW, but I have yet to see any storyline that isn't just a Youtube pre-rendered cutscene. Does it even have a story? Or is it as I've heard from WoW, you only get to see/read the story if you buy the books/graphic novels? I think OW presents itself like Q3 Arena does. There might be a story, but nobody plays it for it. Quite honestly the cutscenes, if they were to a MMORPG would get me interested in it, but the gameplay suggests it has the exact same "nobody plays support" problem that exists here.
This is even meme'd in youtube videos https://youtu.be/S9uTScSgzrM , https://youtu.be/o3ZA0CEip4k

Blizzard's approach is to release broken things. That's just awful on the surface, but the latest WoW 8.0 patch just goes straight to "we don't eve know why it's broken"

Bethesda makes some terribly ugly games, and even when they manage to release a complete game, it's so full of obvious bugs that should have been caught by QA, that I wouldn't be willing to give them money on any kind of multiplayer game.

That's just my entire view on how multiplayer games have to be QA'd to a point that players can't trivially break it, and anything competitive can't be cheated, yet here we are in a thread where the same people who ask for harder content use third party tools to play the game in a way the developers had not intended.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Please leave the thread if you're going to keep being rude. This may be the WoW feature you would want Yoshi-P to steal from WoW, but if this is the kind of attitude you present it with, of course there is going to be push back. You and Bourne always turn threads about how to make the game better into "make everything a DPS sponge, only numbers matter, story doesn't, please yoshi-p make all content only completable by 0.1% of the player base."

Never have I once said that, though please do try and find a quote. And there you go again, assuming. Isn't that rude too? Considering I have watched most cut scenes twice and gone through multiple side quests, I think that means the story matters. Unfortunately, story is finite. You can only participate once. The gameplay content is what keeps the game alive from patch to patch, thus it's generally the focus. But yes, I want Ultimate level dungeons. Apparently, asking for Mythic+ and outright listing different status aliments and gimmicks which could come from that somehow translates to "up all the numbers to Ultimate level."

If you can't be bothered to read posts, mayhaps it's you who should depart the thread.

[Remedi]

Blizzard does a good job of marketing OW, but I have yet to see any storyline that isn't just a Youtube pre-rendered cutscene. Does it even have a story? Or is it as I've heard from WoW, you only get to see/read the story if you buy the books/graphic novels? I think OW presents itself like Q3 Arena does. There might be a story, but nobody plays it for it..

There's a story behind, they are releasing it bit by bit with comics and other extrernal ways but also they every april so far have released some PVE maps which are time limited and they are telling a backstory about how OW got disbanded, which to me it's obscene.
It's like if in WC3 hey you get to play the campaign only during april of each year.
To me that it's extremely anti-consumer and some ppl are catching onto that, frankly I can't really accept something like this from a company who made it's name by releasing games that were packed dense with content and with the possibility of adding more thanks to the user support.

Anyway with that said I'll refrain to continue talking about whatever blizzard does

[Fluffy-Vulpix]

I really like the idea about the dungeons as I mostly only do dungeons in ffxiv I hope this idea gets added to the game one day ^w^
I'm not good at reading so watched your video on YouTube

[KisaiTenshi]

Never have I once said that, though please do try and find a quote. And there you go again, assuming.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4736219

It's nothing in the grand scheme of things because tanks suffer significantly higher damage loss than healers. That PLD sitting in Shield will buy you no more than a couple extra Stone IVs throughout the entirety of the fight while throwing away thousands of raid DPS. In dungeons? Sure, you rotate stance more regularly because the incoming damage is severe and Holy spam is more beneficial. It's typically why on PLD I will purposely bottom out my TP and Clemency to give the healer more opportunity to DPS. Now if they aren't... I'll likely drop stance and go full DPS tank mode because I may as well make up their lack of damage somehow. And I'll give them something to do besides stand around aimlessly.

When it comes to bosses though, forcing a tank into tank stance should be avoided at all costs due to how severe the penalty is with very minimal benefit. It's literally a last resort option and nothing else. Tank stance is so severe a damage loss, it's actually better for the SAM/MNK to use Third Eye/Purification than having a non-WAR (with Unchained) go back into tank stance to do another combo. Why is that? Ask the developers who seem blissfully ignorant on why tanks and healers prioritize damage so highly in this game.

You. Obsessed with Min-maxing DPS on non-DPS roles. You actively advocate for a meta that the developers do not design the content for, and then you do stuff like this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4703523

Many raiders become frustrated because the overwhelming majority of content is made for casual players. You already get virtually everything. Even Savage was watered down to better cater towards lower skilled players. Alas, that still isn't enough. People whine about Neo Exdeath and God Kefka being Savage exclusive. And they whine over Ultimate because how dare the raid community has one piece of content designed for them.

Yes, how dare the raid community get a piece of content that was designed to be played without tools and was cheated anyway. Those advocating for parsers always hurt their own cause.

There is no reason to add any kind of hard content to the game because the raiding community treats it as a competition on who can cheese the third party site with the leaderboard the easiest. Nobody is actually using that site to improve. You complain about content being easy, yet you won't play the game as it was designed. Maybe that is the developers fault to not nerf unintended meta's faster, or maybe they just leave those in because they aren't unbalancing the overall DPS. How long did it take them to nerf NIN? How many times has NIN been nerfed?

Nobody can have fluff skills on their bars because, oh geez, might cause a loss in DPS s/. Nobody is allowed to do anything other than the raider meta, because omg loss of DPS s/.

And that steers back to this thread. If you're just going to play M+ content with tools, they may as well not even consider developing it, because it will not be a challenge either. There is no point in developing any further content that can be cheated with tools because people with the tools will just make it easy. I look forward to Yoshi-P deciding that the best way to combat tools is to make more bosses like Construct 7 s/.

I'd like to see more challenging content, but we're not going to get content like that. Especially when players who use unauthorized tools are making the demands for it.

[Sigma-Astra]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4736219



You. Obsessed with Min-maxing DPS on non-DPS roles. You actively advocate for a meta that the developers do not design the content for, and then you do stuff like this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4703523



Yes, how dare the raid community get a piece of content that was designed to be played without tools and was cheated anyway. Those advocating for parsers always hurt their own cause.

Yoshi himself is aware of the third party tools and has even watched livestreams of world first racing for Ultimate with the parsing data on screen and has not done or said a damn thing condemning it to be cheating. He knows and realizes that raiding teams from all three regions use parsing to help their team. So, I'm not sure why you're going on a tangent here that parsing is considered a "cheating tool" when the tool itself doesn't tell you where to stand, when to stop doing damage, when to heal, etc. Your claim that no one is using the site to improve at all is completely one-sided and bias based off of your own negative stigma behind it, and you're fine to have those opinions, but stop generalizing things. You can't say that no one uses it to improve because you just don't know. You don't know the entire communities motives, and that goes for NA, EU, and JP.

You're jumping to your own opinions and trying to pass them off as facts.

[Fluffy-Vulpix]

You lot need to lighten up a bit and chill its just a game so you won't die IRL if something like this ever gets added

[SargentToughie]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4736219



You. Obsessed with Min-maxing DPS on non-DPS roles. You actively advocate for a meta that the developers do not design the content for, and then you do stuff like this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4703523



Yes, how dare the raid community get a piece of content that was designed to be played without tools and was cheated anyway. Those advocating for parsers always hurt their own cause.

There is no reason to add any kind of hard content to the game because the raiding community treats it as a competition on who can cheese the third party site with the leaderboard the easiest. Nobody is actually using that site to improve. You complain about content being easy, yet you won't play the game as it was designed. Maybe that is the developers fault to not nerf unintended meta's faster, or maybe they just leave those in because they aren't unbalancing the overall DPS. How long did it take them to nerf NIN? How many times has NIN been nerfed?

Nobody can have fluff skills on their bars because, oh geez, might cause a loss in DPS s/. Nobody is allowed to do anything other than the raider meta, because omg loss of DPS s/.

And that steers back to this thread. If you're just going to play M+ content with tools, they may as well not even consider developing it, because it will not be a challenge either. There is no point in developing any further content that can be cheated with tools because people with the tools will just make it easy. I look forward to Yoshi-P deciding that the best way to combat tools is to make more bosses like Construct 7 s/.

I'd like to see more challenging content, but we're not going to get content like that. Especially when players who use unauthorized tools are making the demands for it.

Oh here we go again.

You kept your nose out of the parser thread, but once again you've found a new mouthpiece to spout off your toxic casual propaganda. I'm not even going to waste my time trying to argue with you, since it's obvious at this point that no matter what I say, you're just going to keep on spouting lies and exaggerations to continually try to villainize the raiding playerbase without anything in the way of alternative solutions, or evidence to even back up your claims.

All I'm going to ask, this time, is that you follow your own advice.

Please leave the thread if you're going to keep being rude.

[KaivaC]

Oh here we go again.

You kept your nose out of the parser thread, but once again you've found a new mouthpiece to spout off your toxic casual propaganda. I'm not even going to waste my time trying to argue with you, since it's obvious at this point that no matter what I say, you're just going to keep on spouting lies and exaggerations to continually try to villainize the raiding playerbase without anything in the way of alternative solutions, or evidence to even back up your claims.

All I'm going to ask, this time, is that you follow your own advice.

There are times when I wish I was in Primal so I could understand things their way - or at least give a honest effort in trying. This is one of those times.