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    Quote Originally Posted by Xenosan View Post
    5y starting from the edge of target enemy's hitbox or 5y from it's center?
    5y starting from the center of the target and needing to reach at least the edge of the other mob's hitbox to register that mob getting hit, not edge of hitbox to edge of hitbox.

    Quote Originally Posted by Claire_Pendragon View Post
    lets give an example of a simple 3 mob pull.
    Precisely. If two mobs are 6y apart, targeting one with Abyssal would obviously not hit the other but running into the middle of them and using Unleash would, not because it is bigger but because you have changed the emanation point and so the distance is no longer the 6y between the mobs but instead the ~3y between you and the targets, allowing Unleash to hit them both.

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    Overall look at it like this, if you were standing exactly where your target is standing and you used Unleash, would it hit the other mob/mobs?
    If yes, then Abyssal would also hit them.

    While potentially confusing if you are not the best at spacial parsing and correlation, the fact that it works like this is also one of it's greatest strengths.
    Take for example the most common usage of the ability, using it on a large group of mobs to do damage and keep agro.
    Since the emanation point is based on the target and is independent of your location, you can target a mob that is roughly in the center of the pack and spam Abyssal while keeping the entire pack to one side of you and never having to step into the pack to make sure you hit them all which makes it easier, at least imo, to keep the pack grouped and organized as you want them.
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    Last edited by TouchandFeel; 07-25-2018 at 02:17 AM.

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    Great idea, should not be a target cast, it can get quite annoying at times angling it.
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    We used to have flash cross class to fill that role. Its gone. It just takes some getting used to, but it really isnt a problem one you get the hang of it. Find mob in the center>Spam GCD>Profit. Which is basically the same deal with AD. Target mob in the middle>Spam for more damage than a pld could ever dream. Just add a bonus of steel cyclone/Decimate.

    If multiple adds pop (say doom train) I just use 1 cyclone in the middle to gather them, then take a few steps to the side while gcd ticks down, then OP spam for days. In dungeons, Approach pack>target middle mob>charge through the middle of the pack and they gather up in a group right behind you as you keep running. You now have a clump gathering behind you and the middle targeted. Hit OP just as you pass through them. Repeat until you have everything. If you missed one, target it as you run and tomahawk (or voke>Toma if necessary) it between packs. Pop CDs, get up eye, OP+Unchained or inner release SS/Decimate. GGEZ dungeon.
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    [QUOTE=Claire_Pendragon;4732465]Having a target or not doesnt change its reliably (And if anything, Id imagine the opposite, running through mobs, hitting overpower, and a mob kept moving past u, or changed its position enough the cones direction gets altered, as mobs like to push eachother around)

    Removing the target necessity might make certain control schemes a bit wonky with large packs of mobs. If you're running circles around groups of mobs to keep them clumped and avoid excess damage i could easily see people whiffing overpowers into dead space. And missing an overpower is a lot more punishing than a flash.
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    war has a different mechanic than other tanks BALANCE CANT HAPPEN. Remove it or the game will break. players cant have one part of a tool kit that is different for agro gain
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ordoric View Post
    war has a different mechanic than other tanks BALANCE CANT HAPPEN. Remove it or the game will break. players cant have one part of a tool kit that is different for agro gain
    Not sure what youre getting at and if you are being sarcastic or serious. Are you saying the game cant be balanced as long as War doesnt have a flash/unleash point blank circle aggro skill?
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    Flash does 0 damage, you want that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqskerorokero View Post
    Flash does 0 damage, you want that too?
    use to have it
    and it was handy For not breaking combo
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    It sucks but youll get used to it

    Most pugs are smart enough to not attack till you do so you can let the mobs clump behind you and overpower them to usually grab everything
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