Limit Breaks in solo duties

[Vanitas]

After doing a certain duty at the end of the most recent patch I couldn't help but wonder why we never actually got to use limit breaks in our solo duties in general. Npcs have used limit breaks countless times in the past especially in stormblood duties and it makes me as a WoL feel every so slightly less powerful than my npc allies.

I wanna feel the power too dang it! Let me lb3 a baddie in a duty to show the full might of the WoL while my npc pals respond with "gods what power!!" So in can get the full immersive experience! Ah...but I'm sure that would mean more work making solo duties to account for fact that theres multiple jobs and they'd have to make scenarios to fit each role specific lb and what not.... I still want this though...

[Hypnotic13371337]

Well, if we did that. the problem would be that

1. The encounter doesn't last anywhere near long enough to get LB 1-3 and there was no point to having it

2. The encounter HAS to last long enough to get LB 1-3 and it just gets stale having to fight X person or army or what have you for 5 mins to press a button and either win the fight, or NOW you can do the fight

[Odstarva]

Well, if we did that. the problem would be that

1. The encounter doesn't last anywhere near long enough to get LB 1-3 and there was no point to having it

2. The encounter HAS to last long enough to get LB 1-3 and it just gets stale having to fight X person or army or what have you for 5 mins to press a button and either win the fight, or NOW you can do the fight

That isn't accurate, there have been multiple fights now where killing certain enemies replenish an LB bar. There's no reason they couldn't implement that same system in solo duties.
The only limitation is their imagination, saying it's difficult for them to implement LB in a solo duty is silly. It would be difficult because they have to account for every possible job? They already have to do that when they organize solo duties.

It's literally their job. It's what they are getting paid to do.

[Iscah]

It would be difficult because they have to account for every possible job? They already have to do that when they organize solo duties.

I’m not sure they do much to account for different jobs in solo instances. Maybe they adjust enemy HP for different classes (or maybe they don’t) but playing solo as a caster always involves endless running in circles because tank-NPCs don’t hold enmity for you to fight properly. I don’t feel like it’s designed with consideration for anything other than melee-range fighters.

[kikix12]

Tank NPC's hold aggro quite well, actually. So well that even in tank stance and using aggro combo pulling the mobs off of them is a challenge, so casters should have no chance.

However, what does happen is that tank NPC's focus on one enemy and do not grab stray mobs if there are more. Using AoE will therefore pull some mobs away.


That being said, there aren't always tank NPC's to begin with. And by tank NPC's I specifically mean NPC's meant to soak damage that would be too much for some classes, rather than NPC's that represent tank classes.


As for accounting for varied classes, they just do blanket balancing. They make the mobs have low enough HP to be viable to kill for healers and tanks in reasonable time, while low enough in damage to not kill the melee/NPC's. That's why some classes can make duties laughable (like Paladin that can take a lot of beating all the while healing himself or Red Mage that can deal out lots of damage all the while healing himself).


As for the thread, I would love for limit break to be individual skill altogether, not only in duties. It was always, in every other game, an individual skill of the characters. I don't understand why it's tied to the party in this game, and in such a way that it cannot even be used fully in smaller duties/fights.

[Iscah]

Tank NPC's hold aggro quite well, actually. So well that even in tank stance and using aggro combo pulling the mobs off of them is a challenge, so casters should have no chance.

However, what does happen is that tank NPC's focus on one enemy and do not grab stray mobs if there are more. Using AoE will therefore pull some mobs away.

Ah, that would explain it. So I need to be careful about focusing on single targets for solo duties then? It's prettymuch the opposite of how we're taught to play the rest of the time, with AoE skills and summoner's DoT-spreading ability.

Would also be nice for just mob grinding and FATE grinding in the overworld. And yeah, just give us all Ungermax. That would be the simplest solution to the "role" problem.

But is Ungarmax an exciting skill to see? (I haven't trained my squadron so have no idea.) That's the main appeal of having it made available in solo content - having a big flashy attack that does a lot of damage.

That special instance seemed to be set up so you'd have a full bar at the particular time in the fight, ready to use on those tethers.



I'd really love some way to see the visuals of the limit break 'on demand' instead of maybe getting to use it in a dungeon and maybe having it be the hit that kills the boss so you can mess around with /gpose after. A multiplayer dungeon is not the time to be standing around admiring the pretty effects.

Perhaps there could be some kind of 'dummy command' in the general actions that lets you set off a zero-damage version of limit break level 1, 2 or 3 just to see it.

[Nixxe]

Well, if we did that. the problem would be that

1. The encounter doesn't last anywhere near long enough to get LB 1-3 and there was no point to having it

2. The encounter HAS to last long enough to get LB 1-3 and it just gets stale having to fight X person or army or what have you for 5 mins to press a button and either win the fight, or NOW you can do the fight

You could always change the rate at which the LB is acquired based on the length of the duty. Even if it's only ever available as a coup de grâce, I think a lot of people would find that more interesting than finishing off the primary bad guy with something as anticlimactic as Fast Blade.

[Nabril]

After doing a certain duty at the end of the most recent patch I couldn't help but wonder why we never actually got to use limit breaks in our solo duties in general. Npcs have used limit breaks countless times in the past especially in stormblood duties and it makes me as a WoL feel every so slightly less powerful than my npc allies.

I wanna feel the power too dang it! Let me lb3 a baddie in a duty to show the full might of the WoL while my npc pals respond with "gods what power!!" So in can get the full immersive experience! Ah...but I'm sure that would mean more work making solo duties to account for fact that theres multiple jobs and they'd have to make scenarios to fit each role specific lb and what not.... I still want this though...

I find it strange that a man with your signature is asking for a limit break 3 in a solo instance.

[Vanitas]

I find it strange that a man with your signature is asking for a limit break 3 in a solo instance.

That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand but sure take cheap and petty jab at me ;P

[Badicalde]

I personally like that LBs are limited to group content to be honest. In my opinion, those are truly the epic moments where the warriors of light would need to call upon such an ability.