Healers need other ways to contribute to party DPS instead of boring filler spells.

[MoroMurasaki]

And yet Intelligence still states it raises spell attack.. I swear if you elites ever thought outside your boxes it'd be scary..

Not that I want to discourage anyone from continuing to point out how wrong this guy is buy I am fairly convinced at this point that he is a troll. There is no way an actual person can be this ignorant to readily available information.

[HyoMinPark]

And even back then, did INT melding actually do anything worthwile because if you wanted to do actual damage, you went into cleric stance, which switched the two stats? Were the melds static?

Healers never melded INT. If they weren’t melding Accuracy for raids so that they could DPS without missing, then they were melding Crit, Determination, or Spell Speed. No one in their right mind would ever recommend melding INT on a healer—then or now.

[KisaiTenshi]

And even back then, did INT melding actually do anything worthwile because if you wanted to do actual damage, you went into cleric stance, which switched the two stats? Were the melds static?

Cleric Stance would switched the entire INT and MND stat, if you melded anything to MND or INT, they would also be switched, so if you melded INT to healer gear, it would become MND under cleric stance.

As I've stated before, the way Cleric Stance worked before was simply BAD, because allowed too many ways to make a mistake, from bad bonus point allocation, to bad gear, to lag.

They should have either:
A) Made it a WHM solo buff that lasts buffs the next caster attack (by adding MND to INT), regardless of the caster attack, and drops off after 10 seconds, recasts after 10 seconds.
or
B) Replace it a WHM party buff, that buffs the next caster attack (by adding the healers MND to INT) of each party member, and recasts after X seconds relative to the number of caster party members.

The existing buff is something of a joke (5% potency), and wasn't worth adding to the role bar.

The way it worked before, you were penalized for switching twice, thus you get stuck casting lamed DPS, or lamed healing, thus more parties wiped from bad or lagged stance dancing. It was bad, full stop. It was not like Tank stance, where you could still recover from a mistake.

[MoroMurasaki]

Cleric Stance would switched the entire INT and MND stat, if you melded anything to MND or INT, they would also be switched, so if you melded INT to healer gear, it would become MND under cleric stance.

As I've stated before, the way Cleric Stance worked before was simply BAD, because allowed too many ways to make a mistake, from bad bonus point allocation, to bad gear, to lag.

They should have either:
A) Made it a WHM solo buff that lasts buffs the next caster attack (by adding MND to INT), regardless of the caster attack, and drops off after 10 seconds, recasts after 10 seconds.
or
B) Replace it a WHM party buff, that buffs the next caster attack (by adding the healers MND to INT) of each party member, and recasts after X seconds relative to the number of caster party members.

The existing buff is something of a joke (5% potency), and wasn't worth adding to the role bar.

The way it worked before, you were penalized for switching twice, thus you get stuck casting lamed DPS, or lamed healing, thus more parties wiped from bad or lagged stance dancing. It was bad, full stop. It was not like Tank stance, where you could still recover from a mistake.

You 100% could recover from a mistake, especially as WHM since Benediction was just as effective in Cleric Stance. As SCH your fairy was still healing while you were in Cleric as well.

Don't put down an ability just because you weren't able to use it effectively. A lot of people enjoyed the old iteration of CS and benefited from it.

To answer the actual question - no, there was no point in melting INT even back then. The amount you could gain from melds was already quite small and with the additional penalty to healing magic potency it made it pointless. You were better off tossing up dps out of Cleric than trying to heal while in it.

[Dualgunner]

And yet Intelligence still states it raises spell attack.. I swear if you elites ever thought outside your boxes it'd be scary..

Maybe the issue is you're trying way too hard to reinvent the wheel.

[Cheremia]

Thanks for the answers, I asked because i thought i had a fever dream after seeing him say INT Meld. I always had accuracy and whatever else back then...
But considering he's just talking nonsense i shouldn't REALLY have wondered but it's just something that was in my head...

Thankfully somebody explained everything to me at first when i started so i knew i could stance dance when i started healer.

It was fun to stancedance but sometimes it was a bit weird.

But back to topic, what if healer get something like Foe Requiem of sorts?
I wouldn't say straightup buffing damage from others too, but something that uses TP and does some sort of effect in some way to either the party or the mob... hm

[HyoMinPark]

but something that uses TP and does some sort of effect in some way to either the party or the mob... hm

Honestly, if they implemented Dancer in 5.0, I’d love to see it as a melee healer that has heals or buffs that use TP.

[Lubu_Mykono]

How do you balance this though? All the other healers use MP and specific gear that reflects the cost for specific content.
Do they add completely new gear for Dancer, along with a completely new balancing system so it can work in all the different types of content/
I mean it's a great idea, but if you are a developer isn't it a nightmare to fundamentally design when you could just have them use healing gear and dancing "magic".
[I think this won't happen, but it's still a problem]

[HyoMinPark]

How do you balance this though? All the other healers use MP and specific gear that reflects the cost for specific content.
Do they add completely new gear for Dancer, along with a completely new balancing system so it can work in all the different types of content/
I mean it's a great idea, but if you are a developer isn't it a nightmare to fundamentally design when you could just have them use healing gear and dancing "magic".
[I think this won't happen, but it's still a problem]

I would imagine they would still share the same gear. Stat-wise, DNC would probably still scale off of MND in terms of both damage and heals; their skills would just have a TP cost as opposed to an MP cost. There isn’t much reason to scale them off of another stat. MP usage and skills aren’t tied strictly to MND, since casters also use MP but they scale off of INT.

The only substat that directly affects MP in this game is Piety, which, in optimization terms, is not as important as other substats—you only meld Piety if you need more MP; if you don’t need more MP, you don’t meld Piety...instead you’ll favor another substat (generally Crit or Determination). If DNC doesn’t use MP, Piety would be a moot stat on it. That would bring up issues with gear that have piety on them as a secondary, as they would be completely worthless, but I would imagine that DNC would just ignore those pieces in favor of others that do not have Piety on them (much like how healers try to do now, unless the same piece also has Crit and they want a high-Crit build—a lot of players that optimize already ignore the more useless substats on gear).

[Cheremia]

The thing is, it would fit dancer really well, yes.

But what if other healers had something with TP and each healer has a different effect with it?
Like i said, i wouldn't know WHAT sort of effect, but TP is pretty useless for healer so why not make them able to have abilities, that use TP
Or sacrifice TP if you want to call it so to give the team/1 person a cool little buff.