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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    Even he knows there is an issue with this subject matter.
    Yet here we are doing the same thing all over again, what gives?
    Technically things are changing all the time. Just fringe stuff though, and then there's an unchanging core beneath. I'm not opposed to them shaking up the whole structure entirely. I like fresh stuff too. It doesn't seem like that will happen any time soon because the game is quite successful already. Enough people are happy. If there is a crisis of dwindling subs, it will change dramatically like v1 to v2. If not they have no reason to take big risks. Just more variety in side dishes as usual but the main meal stays the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    Technically things are changing all the time. Just fringe stuff though, and then there's an unchanging core beneath. I'm not opposed to them shaking up the whole structure entirely. I like fresh stuff too. It doesn't seem like that will happen any time soon because the game is quite successful already. Enough people are happy. If there is a crisis of dwindling subs, it will change dramatically like v1 to v2. If not they have no reason to take big risks. Just more variety in side dishes as usual but the main meal stays the same.
    Why does the game need to bleed subscribers and basically approach a significant down spell before we see some actual innovation? Most people neither expect nor demand a complete overhaul. They simply want a refresher to the otherwise tired formula. When everything has become so formulaic, the devs rush through their own Live Letter discussing 4.4 to talk about technical crap regarding the MHW collaboration, it's rather tell. 4.4 is so basic, they aren't even bothering.

    Is it too much to ask 5.0 not see another series of tomestone gearing, menial dungeons that pose little to no challenge and essentially the exact same features Stormblood, Heavensward and A Realm Reborn offered?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    Why does the game need to bleed subscribers and basically approach a significant down spell before we see some actual innovation? Most people neither expect nor demand a complete overhaul. They simply want a refresher to the otherwise tired formula. When everything has become so formulaic, the devs rush through their own Live Letter discussing 4.4 to talk about technical crap regarding the MHW collaboration, it's rather tell. 4.4 is so basic, they aren't even bothering.

    Is it too much to ask 5.0 not see another series of tomestone gearing, menial dungeons that pose little to no challenge and essentially the exact same features Stormblood, Heavensward and A Realm Reborn offered?
    Because that's how 1.0 was solved, Bourne.

    It is too much to ask, they need to see a significant loss before they'll decide to do a major overhaul.

    And yes, they could do minor overhauls but that'd involve breaking out of their cookie cutter template which would be akin to a major overhaul for a small indie studio like Square Enix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    When everything has become so formulaic, the devs rush through their own Live Letter discussing 4.4 to talk about technical crap regarding the MHW collaboration, it's rather tell. 4.4 is so basic, they aren't even bothering.
    Because patch previews are done in 2 parts. They go into further detail in the next Live Letter, closer to the release of the actual content. That's when you get a trailer too. I just saw your reply to me in a different topic and I think you're being a bit harsh on S-E lol. Look I get what you're saying though, there are certain things they play too safe and haven't evolved enough. Personally I am kind of disappointed that 4.4 doesn't seem to have a new pvp mode such as a new map for Rival Wings and a RW roulette to keep that active. Maybe 4.5....
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    Yeah, but we don't need a 1.0-level overhaul. We just need some fresh content.
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    cerise leclaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Yeah, but we don't need a 1.0-level overhaul. We just need some fresh content.
    Actually... considering how often they're blaming old code (lots of which is 1.0 code or rushed code trying to make ARR come out) they probably do need a 1.0-level overhaul if they're being honest about their limitations which I DOUBT because they could magically double your saddlebag if you pay them 5 dollars a month for their new phone app.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Actually... considering how often they're blaming old code (lots of which is 1.0 code or rushed code trying to make ARR come out) they probably do need a 1.0-level overhaul if they're being honest about their limitations which I DOUBT because they could magically double your saddlebag if you pay them 5 dollars a month for their new phone app.
    I don't really believe anymore either that the old code is as limiting as they're claiming with how many things they "couldn't" do have magically popped into existence once people complained enough. (Or once they found a way to monetize it.)
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    Last edited by Elamys; 07-23-2018 at 08:10 AM.

    cerise leclaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    I don't really believe anymore either that the old code is as limiting as they're claiming with how many things they "couldn't" do have magically popped into existence once people complained enough. (Or once they found a way to monetize it.)
    A lot of those "Magical" fixes likely took them years to implement, and they had to either brute force or go around old code that wasn't designed to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    A lot of those "Magical" fixes likely took them years to implement, and they had to either brute force or go around old code that wasn't designed to do that.
    And all those years wasted could been better invested in fixing the root of the problem. That is not a defense, that is not an excuse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Actually... considering how often they're blaming old code (lots of which is 1.0 code or rushed code trying to make ARR come out) they probably do need a 1.0-level overhaul if they're being honest about their limitations which I DOUBT because they could magically double your saddlebag if you pay them 5 dollars a month for their new phone app.
    I feel the same way.
    "server limitations"
    "server limitations"
    "server limitations"

    Well start putting more money back in the game then and expand, all those 1.50 EUR retainers and EUR 13.50 outfits you overcharge people, 1 per character. I am sure they can afford it, they just don't want to and milk this game for higher profit margins.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 07-23-2018 at 08:39 AM.

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    I believe them. Only because of how 1.0 was killed and 2.0 was made. We dont know how crazy that code is. For all we know everything under the hood is bucked up beyond repair and the only way to do anything is to completely burn and remake.
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