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  1. #131
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnSeal View Post
    If you read all post few ppl are agreeing so I am representing them. Did someone choose MLK or Ghandi to represent their ppl. If you have ideas you express them and forever fight for them!
    Oh my god. We literally just had another poster in a completely different train wreck of a thread likening themselves to MLK, Jr. and Nelson Mandela. You are not important enough to even come close to likening yourself to any of these notable individuals, and this "issue" is not even anywhere near the same level of importance as what they stood up for. Get over yourself, please. Speak only for yourself. You don't represent anyone.
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avix_Sunpuncher View Post
    It is very hard to ignore the blatant ignorance that is spread over this topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    The problem is the number of people who actually know how those tools work can be counted on one hand, and they're not accurate or reliable tools, but people want to believe they are so they can bludgeon other users with them. Everyone who doesn't like the site should explicitly optout of the site, and if people won't party with you for hiding parses, report them.
    And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis. I feel like this is FFXIV's version of Street Fighter. You know, with the never-ending sequels of the 90s. Super Parser Fighter II Anniversary HD Remix Ultimate Edition. No matter how much the bad guy loses, they still find a way to show up in the next battle to do the exact same thing (in this case, show that they are wrong).

    So anyways, what is there even to report? If I do a PF, look up your logs without telling you and decide I don't want you in my party because you are only parsing greys (in this case, let's say you are a SAM whose averages 3K, and you've been doing Sigmascape savage since it debuted), your suggestion is to report me for kicking you without saying a word to you??? By this logic, you would rather the party is forced to carry you because you cannot get good enough to at least pull 5k? (I choose SAM specifically to illustrate something). This isn't the DF - why should I be forced to keep you in my PF where I am wanting to either get a speedkill, clear on the first pull, without having to go out of my way to make up for a 3K SAM? I chose this specific example for a reason, so if you choose to respond, please keep it within the confines of the example I laid out for you.
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  3. #133
    Player Tiaque's Avatar
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    Ceciliantas Drayce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    Also, please tell me you're not that tank who walks into expert roulette with an i310 weapon and complains that they can't hold hate when most have at least an i360 at this point or the healer who walks into a 24-man raid. BIS is not pointless for healers or tanks, your skill is directly affected by what ilvl your gear is, and if your gear is outdated? Well, you're gonna have a bad time.

    Please, for the love of cheddar, don't advocate that BIS doesn't matter for healers or tanks. It matters for EVERYONE. Don't be lazy.
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
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  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    This is flat out false. I know because I have ripped off Warriors in Defiance while I'm full BiS. You aren't holding anything at i310 against a good i360 DPS unless it's a dungeon trash pull, you're sitting in tank stance and spamming Overpower/Unleash/Flash. Against a boss? Yeah, no. The DPS will be tanking if they know what they're doing. An i360+ Bard can burst for over 11,000. There isn't a chance in hell a i310 tank swapping stances will keep aggro off of them.
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    Last edited by Bourne_Endeavor; 07-21-2018 at 04:21 AM.

  5. #135
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    Sigma-Astra's Avatar
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    Soma Kagami
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    There was nothing "skillful" about a PLD going through Swallow's Compass with an i310 and losing aggro towards the Red Mage, myself (BLM), and the healer (WHM). It was like playing a game of hot potato even when we were all using enmity reducers like Diversion and Lucid. Most of us (and by most, I mean the healers and the two DPS) were decked out in i365 weapons and i370 gear. That PLD was woefully outmatched....in gear and skills.

    Hate can be held easily if you're staying in tanking stance and not DPS stance, but it's not a perfect guarantee regardless if you're only using an i310. You don't go in DPS stance when your weapon is way lower than your healer and DPS's, you're playing with fire, literally.
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    Last edited by Sigma-Astra; 07-21-2018 at 04:13 AM.

  6. #136
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    Hibiki Hisakawa
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiaque View Post
    Hate can be held easily even with a i310 while everyone else is using a i360. Their are factors involved that determines this, but I done it for the lulz against high parsing dpsers and still was able to go into tank dps stance to dps while holding threat.

    Skill is more of a factor than ya think, dont knock it.
    Only because the threat generation on Shield Oath/Defiance/Grit and our major threat combos and AoE threat generators always get jacked up if casual players can't hold threat. Holding threat in i310 isn't about skill, it's about adding an additional Rage of Halone or Flash. There is nothing skillful about holding threat in trivial content.

    Oh no, a DPS is creeping up on my threat lead - better use MY THREAT GENERATION ABILITIES.

    Duh? You frontload your threat generation a little harder than you would if you were a higher item level, there is no hidden secret. Tanks have the depth of a kiddie pool.

    Never before seen skill, basic comprehension of your threat meter's status.
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  7. #137
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    SargentToughie's Avatar
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    Lana Arunika
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    There is nothing skillful about holding threat in trivial content.

    Oh no, a DPS is creeping up on my threat lead - better use MY THREAT GENERATION ABILITIES.

    Duh? You frontload your threat generation a little harder than you would if you were a higher item level, there is no hidden secret. Tanks have the depth of a kiddie pool.

    Never before seen skill, basic comprehension of your threat meter's status.
    Nu-uh. I'm a super skilled pro tank for being able to push 1-2-3 with a passive up.

    Get on my level.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis.
    It's funny you seem surprised that a thread demonizing parsers attracted Kisai to it. If anything I'm surprised it took this long for him to show up with a gallon of gasoline for this obnoxious grease fire of a thread.
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  9. #139
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    Midori Nabooru
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    There is literally nothing SE can do about parsing and FFlogs cause these are third party apps/sites. Parsing is supposedly bannable but in nearly 5 years of playing this game, I have never heard of it happening. If dps are too lazy to use their enmity dumps, then you let them die. They will enjoy that nice number at the end of the fight.

    Parsing is a blessing and a curse, depending on how you play the game. For the people who play on the more casual side of the spectrum it can be burdensome to be judged when you're just trying to get that shiny new mount. You can also look at it and think of how you can improve your skill base if that is an interest for you. For raiders it is an important tool to gauge your groups performance. But it's probably safe to say, none of this will change any time in the future.
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  10. #140
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by KaivaC View Post
    And now you have made your way into this thread. I swear, this topic draws in folks like this on an almost regular basis.
    Nobody asked anyone in the thread to come to this thread. You can walk away without adding your 2 cents.

    I'm objectively right about how the parsers work and the kind of damage it does to the game. If you don't see it as cheating, then you clearly don't enjoy playing games, and would be just as entertained by watching someone else play it on twitch.

    Yoshi-P is not going to make "harder" content because the content was not designed to be played with cheat tools. You want to cheat, later claim the game is too easy. Maybe quit using the tools and you'll see where the difficulty is supposed to be. If anything the content is getting watered down because the parser users are falling outside the bell curve.
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