ToS: Third Party Programs and Turbo Controllers

[Delsus]

But you're not doing 2 things at once...you are playing the guitar...the programmable keyboard is playing the video game. That was my the point. Pick one and/or pick 2 activities you can do at the same time... maybe take up singing while crafting

As to the " I leveled without cheats thing using only an apple keyboard", that's nice, doesn't change the fact that you are choosing to craft now w/o physically doing it. Justifying it doesn't make it 'right'.

I am not condoning what Renshi does but they know that what they are doing is effectively against the ToS, especially with what the french rep said, its Renshi's account to do what ever Renshi wants. Does it affect you, on a different server no, so why should you care?

[Coldfire]

The ToS doesn't even allow ventrilo, skype or a graphics driver. Voice chat obviously gives you an advantage over other players and the graphics driver alters the games code in memory to optimize it for your GPU :P
Couldn't care less about people using some autofire gamepad or programmable keyboard to automate crafting. The ToS isn't precise enough if you ask me and the real problems are RMT and people using hacks (I'm not gonna call them hackers, since the ain't). Would be nice if SE started banning those.

[Kinseykinz]

I am not condoning what Renshi does but they know that what they are doing is effectively against the ToS, especially with what the french rep said, its Renshi's account to do what ever Renshi wants. Does it affect you, on a different server no, so why should you care?

Look, I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. But it does matter regardless of server, because well Renshi isn't the only person who feels it's okay behavior. And there are others on the fence who see post like Renshi's and think 'Well they are doing it that way so I can to.' So while they also made a choice on potentially bad advice to do something that could potentially ban their account, it does affect us all as a community. (btw, with the whole 'server merge thing' we are ALL in the same potential community).

This all being said, I wasn't trying to pick on Renshi personally, but rather the general thought that some share with him/her that 'it's okay because it's not an actual program and I'm still in the room and can see the screen' mentality. Also, I've seen Renshi's posts around the forums on occasion and I like the person (based on what I've seen/read) and would hate to see them banned because they decided to practice guitar one day while crafting...or take a shower etc.

[Delsus]

Look, I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. But it does matter regardless of server, because well Renshi isn't the only person who feels it's okay behavior. And there are others on the fence who see post like Renshi's and think 'Well they are doing it that way so I can to.' So while they also made a choice on potentially bad advice to do something that could potentially ban their account, it does affect us all as a community. (btw, with the whole 'server merge thing' we are ALL in the same potential community).

This all being said, I wasn't trying to pick on Renshi personally, but rather the general thought that some share with him/her that 'it's okay because it's not an actual program and I'm still in the room and can see the screen' mentality. Also, I've seen Renshi's posts around the forums on occasion and I like the person (based on what I've seen/read) and would hate to see them banned because they decided to practice guitar one day while crafting...or take a shower etc.

This comes to the old question, If I jumped off a cliff would you as well? Just because one person does something doesnt make it right, everyone knows that I would however put programable keyboards and turbo controllers in the same catogory as Windower for FFXI, while technically against the ToS I cant see them taking action against them.