ToS: Third Party Programs and Turbo Controllers

[Delsus]

Look, I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. But it does matter regardless of server, because well Renshi isn't the only person who feels it's okay behavior. And there are others on the fence who see post like Renshi's and think 'Well they are doing it that way so I can to.' So while they also made a choice on potentially bad advice to do something that could potentially ban their account, it does affect us all as a community. (btw, with the whole 'server merge thing' we are ALL in the same potential community).

This all being said, I wasn't trying to pick on Renshi personally, but rather the general thought that some share with him/her that 'it's okay because it's not an actual program and I'm still in the room and can see the screen' mentality. Also, I've seen Renshi's posts around the forums on occasion and I like the person (based on what I've seen/read) and would hate to see them banned because they decided to practice guitar one day while crafting...or take a shower etc.

This comes to the old question, If I jumped off a cliff would you as well? Just because one person does something doesnt make it right, everyone knows that I would however put programable keyboards and turbo controllers in the same catogory as Windower for FFXI, while technically against the ToS I cant see them taking action against them.

[Renshi]

I don't really know what's the problem on using a keyboard macro when you are on your computer. I'm playing guitar, while letting my character craft and reading the chat log. If someone posts something interesting or about me, I just stop the macro and write down, then keep on playing with the macro on, rinse and repeat.

I know it might be against the ToS, but I know that I'm doing this controlling the situation, and not by going to bed letting my character craft. Isn't that the same when you activate a game macro using skills while you chat with your mates?

I'll tell ya, I don't have any other places to play guitar other than my actual gaming station, where I have my FX pedals plugged in. Moreover, I don't like to not have control of my character, finding it kinda uncool. But if I could use my hands to exercise them better in a guitar than in an Enter key, or in an A button, then I prefer it =)

Does it change something if I physically press Enter repeatedly or if the Keyboard does it for me? I dunno, but I don't see that much of a difference

[TheVedis]

I don't really know what's the problem on using a keyboard macro when you are on your computer. I'm playing guitar, while letting my character craft and reading the chat log. If someone posts something interesting or about me, I just stop the macro and write down, then keep on playing with the macro on, rinse and repeat.

I know it might be against the ToS, but I know that I'm doing this controlling the situation, and not by going to bed letting my character craft. Isn't that the same when you activate a game macro using skills while you chat with your mates?

I'll tell ya, I don't have any other places to play guitar other than my actual gaming station, where I have my FX pedals plugged in. Moreover, I don't like to not have control of my character, finding it kinda uncool. But if I could use my hands to exercise them better in a guitar than in an Enter key, or in an A button, then I prefer it =)

Does it change something if I physically press Enter repeatedly or if the Keyboard does it for me? I dunno, but I don't see that much of a difference

the problem is actualy quite simple

you arent playing the game, your keyboard is, wether or not your sitting right next to it


if its against the tos, its against it, you cant really argue beyond that point unfortunately

[tachikoma]

the problem is actualy quite simple

you arent playing the game, your keyboard is, wether or not your sitting right next to it


if its against the tos, its against it, you cant really argue beyond that point unfortunately

There is a post in an article from Yoshi about the use of 3rd party programs and talks about automated crafting. Basically from what I remember he was not against this. The TOS we have is from the old director and expect 2.0's release to be much more lenient with this type of activity. I wish I had the links and the quotes. There was also a GM screenshot that showed a JP GM saying its not against TOS to use a turbo macro on a G15 keyboard. I do think the GM was mistaken but I remember the screenshot clearly, it was from nearly a year ago though.

For 2.0 they already said they are planning to give an API or some form of developer kit for addons in FFXIV. Take it for what its worth. If you macro craft and get in trouble and banned don't complain, is it likely that your going to get caught? probably not.

[Renshi]

I'll tell ya, while I was writing that I wasn't putting any points to the ToS, but only at the situation.
If I'll have problems with the ToS I'll solve them with Square-Enix, showing my points as they show me theirs, and if I have to pay, I'll pay.
But that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm just discussing the rightness of it. If my keyboard macro was a friend of mine, would that be considered the same thing? It's doing the same thing the macro keyboard does afterall.

[ShadowCadja]

I'll tell ya, while I was writing that I wasn't putting any points to the ToS, but only at the situation.
If I'll have problems with the ToS I'll solve them with Square-Enix, showing my points as they show me theirs, and if I have to pay, I'll pay.
But that's not what I'm talking about at all. I'm just discussing the rightness of it. If my keyboard macro was a friend of mine, would that be considered the same thing? It's doing the same thing the macro keyboard does afterall.

It's still an automatization, as stated in the french rep post, any automatization is against the ToS even if you are right in front of the PC and you might get your account suspended/closed. ^^;

[Dreamer]

It's still an automatization, as stated in the french rep post, any automatization is against the ToS even if you are right in front of the PC and you might get your account suspended/closed. ^^;

So this means they're removing macros and their commands from the game with the next patch? Cause you can automate huge sections of the game using the built-in tools.

[lackofwords]

So this means they're removing macros and their commands from the game with the next patch? Cause you can automate huge sections of the game using the built-in tools.

If you read the documents. It is defining that using unauthorized third party programs is against their policy. It does not say, using the in game macro is against their policy.

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

2. LICENSE LIMITATIONS

2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

Which in that User Agreement document, it says the rules are further defined in Prohibited Activities which is what is quoted in the OP.

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players.

Key word, third party programs or tools.

But like I said before, there's also other rules that seems a bit outdated or not really enforced. Such as; The rights they withhold with user generated Materials, the restriction of Naming Rights, and so forth.

Long story short, you can always just use it regardless. But can't say it wasn't against the rules when it's written there.

[Matsume]

So this means they're removing macros and their commands from the game with the next patch? Cause you can automate huge sections of the game using the built-in tools.

Can you really write an ingame macro to spam standard synthesis for you?

[Molly_Millions]

Can you really write an ingame macro to spam standard synthesis for you?

no

/tenchar