ToS: Third Party Programs and Turbo Controllers

[Delsus]

For people wondering about the GM sending a tell to see if you are there, there is one alternative which is add a script to FFXIV that checks every single piece of software, compare it to a list SE has of illegal software then ban anyone and everyone that has said software.

Also FFXI had auto craft, you choose the mats, and it does it, it wasnt involved at all, I know a game of pong for a craft, every time you win your progress increases, every time you loose your durability increases

[Soukyuu]

For people wondering about the GM sending a tell to see if you are there, there is one alternative which is add a script to FFXIV that checks every single piece of software, compare it to a list SE has of illegal software then ban anyone and everyone that has said software.

Seeing how they are struggling to add ANYTHING to the client, I kinda doubt they will be able to do that.

And even if they do, turbo controllers and keyboard macros are not detectable.

[Delsus]

Seeing how they are struggling to add ANYTHING to the client, I kinda doubt they will be able to do that.

And even if they do, turbo controllers and keyboard macros are not detectable.

The special buttons need a specific driver or piece of software to work, you just look for the software, or look in the driver and see the special keys function, probably illegal because they could be closed source but entirely possible and then they can nuke everyone with a programable keyboard or turbo controller.

[Soukyuu]

The special buttons need a specific driver or piece of software to work

No. In case of turbo controllers, it's the hardware that does it. You can't distinguish a turbo from a non-turbo controller.

they can nuke everyone with a programable keyboard or turbo controller.

And lose a LOT of players because of trying to dictate what hardware a player should use.

[Delsus]

And lose a LOT of players because of trying to dictate what hardware a player should use.

Much must be risked in the war against the RMT, you should blame the people that exploit these features, not SE.

They would never go that far because it will cause legal complications if they did.

[Renshi]

Because if I want to play a freaking guitar to keep my fingers trained, and I have the option to do it while crafting, why shouldn't I do that?
Don't mind me, I like crafting so much that I got my 50 when I still had my Apple Keyboard, doing leves one after another, but mind me, if I have the chance to both satisfy my hobbies I want to use that chance!

Don't mind me, but mind me.

[Kinseykinz]

Because if I want to play a freaking guitar to keep my fingers trained, and I have the option to do it while crafting, why shouldn't I do that?
Don't mind me, I like crafting so much that I got my 50 when I still had my Apple Keyboard, doing leves one after another, but mind me, if I have the chance to both satisfy my hobbies I want to use that chance!

Don't mind me, but mind me.

But you're not doing 2 things at once...you are playing the guitar...the programmable keyboard is playing the video game. That was my the point. Pick one and/or pick 2 activities you can do at the same time... maybe take up singing while crafting

As to the " I leveled without cheats thing using only an apple keyboard", that's nice, doesn't change the fact that you are choosing to craft now w/o physically doing it. Justifying it doesn't make it 'right'.

[Delsus]

But you're not doing 2 things at once...you are playing the guitar...the programmable keyboard is playing the video game. That was my the point. Pick one and/or pick 2 activities you can do at the same time... maybe take up singing while crafting

As to the " I leveled without cheats thing using only an apple keyboard", that's nice, doesn't change the fact that you are choosing to craft now w/o physically doing it. Justifying it doesn't make it 'right'.

I am not condoning what Renshi does but they know that what they are doing is effectively against the ToS, especially with what the french rep said, its Renshi's account to do what ever Renshi wants. Does it affect you, on a different server no, so why should you care?

[Coldfire]

The ToS doesn't even allow ventrilo, skype or a graphics driver. Voice chat obviously gives you an advantage over other players and the graphics driver alters the games code in memory to optimize it for your GPU :P
Couldn't care less about people using some autofire gamepad or programmable keyboard to automate crafting. The ToS isn't precise enough if you ask me and the real problems are RMT and people using hacks (I'm not gonna call them hackers, since the ain't). Would be nice if SE started banning those.

[Kinseykinz]

I am not condoning what Renshi does but they know that what they are doing is effectively against the ToS, especially with what the french rep said, its Renshi's account to do what ever Renshi wants. Does it affect you, on a different server no, so why should you care?

Look, I wasn't trying to be a jerk about it. But it does matter regardless of server, because well Renshi isn't the only person who feels it's okay behavior. And there are others on the fence who see post like Renshi's and think 'Well they are doing it that way so I can to.' So while they also made a choice on potentially bad advice to do something that could potentially ban their account, it does affect us all as a community. (btw, with the whole 'server merge thing' we are ALL in the same potential community).

This all being said, I wasn't trying to pick on Renshi personally, but rather the general thought that some share with him/her that 'it's okay because it's not an actual program and I'm still in the room and can see the screen' mentality. Also, I've seen Renshi's posts around the forums on occasion and I like the person (based on what I've seen/read) and would hate to see them banned because they decided to practice guitar one day while crafting...or take a shower etc.