ToS: Third Party Programs and Turbo Controllers

[TheVedis]

I would really appreciate clarification from the reps regarding the following two:

•The modification, analysis, integration and reverse engineering of game data;
•The creation and diffusion of utilitarian software;

Specifically, do logs count as "game data" and does parsing them count as "analysis"? Also, what qualifies as "utilitarian software"? Would the YG Updater or the parser that generates data for XIVpads from the Lodestone pages count?

EDIT: how did this end up not replying to the thread in total? oh well.

i know that language!

basicaly what they are saying, is you cant use their source code for your own purposes, and you cant hack the game in general to do stuff to it


its not talking about 3rd party software in general, but the actual use of it to alter the game itself

[Matsume]

i know that language!

basicaly what they are saying, is you cant use their source code for your own purposes, and you cant hack the game in general to do stuff to it


its not talking about 3rd party software in general, but the actual use of it to alter the game itself

This is correct.

Parsers seem to be in a bit of a grey zone imho... It seems that the post was directed at any function that allows for the automation of an in game process, and not so much towards the automated recording of data that is freely given to the player.

[Treach]

I tied a laser pointer to the edge of my fan and I set my keyboard underneath it so the red dot goes over the enter key. I then put my cat in a cardboard box with just a hole for his paw and head to get through and face it toward the keyboard so that every time he sees the red demon dot he smacks enter.

Is this against the ToS?

[Delsus]

I would really appreciate clarification from the reps regarding the following two:

•The modification, analysis, integration and reverse engineering of game data;
•The creation and diffusion of utilitarian software;

Specifically, do logs count as "game data" and does parsing them count as "analysis"? Also, what qualifies as "utilitarian software"? Would the YG Updater or the parser that generates data for XIVpads from the Lodestone pages count?

EDIT: how did this end up not replying to the thread in total? oh well.

As TheVedis says, its against the ToD to decompile the source for FFXIV well for any reason because its closed source, but the analysis part is about decompiling the code and finding exploits in the code which will allow you to use bots or other 3rd party software.

Integration is things like plugins that will display information on screen that you shouldnt see.

Chat logs are not in this, they are available in your character information for you to see, the parser however is against the ToS because it is 3rd party software. the scripts for XIVpads is legal, its just a lodestone lookup and I would imagine SE has nothing wrong with YG's auto updater or they would have issued a C&D by now.

[ShadowCadja]

Chat logs are not in this, they are available in your character information for you to see, the parser however is against the ToS because it is 3rd party software. the scripts for XIVpads is legal, its just a lodestone lookup and I would imagine SE has nothing wrong with YG's auto updater or they would have issued a C&D by now.

How is the parser against ToS when the only thing it does is read the logs? (Basically just a "lookup" as you stated for XIVPads/Lodestone, interested in knowing this, not flaming)

[Sanctus]

Oh, good! It doesn't mention watching Netflix while mindlessly pressing A on my Xbox 360 controller as being bad!

I don't understand how they could ban you for this until they remove the option in the ffxiv config that says "Enable gamepad when application is in background"

to me, by allowing that they are giving you the ability to watch netflix and spam enter with the game minimized, so they shouldn't penalize you for doing it.

anyone agree?

[Wycor]

I don't understand how they could ban you for this until they remove the option in the ffxiv config that says "Enable gamepad when application is in background"

to me, by allowing that they are giving you the ability to watch netflix and spam enter with the game minimized, so they shouldn't penalize you for doing it.

anyone agree?

Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. However the only "good or legit" method by SE to detect your bot is sending a tell to you by a GM and not answering. It would make you look guilty at SE "eyes" bc you didnt answer him while you were staring at TV or whatever you were watching.

[Coldfire]

Good bots answer GMs. Even if SE starts enforcing anything (roflmao AS IF) the only ones being hurt would be the people that use the pad to craft while watching a movie ;D

[Antipika]

Good bots answer GMs. Even if SE starts enforcing anything (roflmao AS IF) the only ones being hurt would be the people that use the pad to craft while watching a movie ;D

Good bot don't answer GM, as you may be asked something specific and not just to say "hello! no I swear I'm not AFK!". On XI while fishing, you could be asked to stop fishing, take a step back, /sit and then stand back up, all that upon GM's command.

Don't think a software will be able to do that

[Sanctus]

Yes, it shouldn't be a problem. However the only "good or legit" method by SE to detect your bot is sending a tell to you by a GM and not answering. It would make you look guilty at SE "eyes" bc you didnt answer him while you were staring at TV or whatever you were watching.

so basically its safer to use a bot that notifies you when you get a tell or have been mentioned in chat/emote etc and save your thumb the exercise lol

technically i'd still be watching netflix but i'd be safe when someone starting messaging me.

they need to implement something where the window pops back up into the forefront if you receive a tell or something. that way bots would still be caught, but legit people watching netflix would realize they are being talked to.