The "Something Special" for the next Omega Raid Tier, What if...

[Mixt]

It should be noted that Sephiroth's power at his greatest is about equal to Gaia itself plus the entirety of the lifestream.

Though this is after getting a massive power boost from feeding on the souls of everyone who died from the Geostigma, which is a global pandemic that among other things causes a reduced immune function, necrosis, mind controls the victim into terminal depression to make them lose the will to live so they die faster, and painful spasms with a lot of bleeding from the affected areas.

Before this he was "Only" strong enough to hold Holy, the direct counterpart and equal to a force capable of wiping out all life on the planet and gravely wounding the planet itself, back and still have enough power left over to engage the party.

To put this into perspective, the dude is locked up in an unending stalemate where he's engaging the rest of the lifestream solo, quarantining him by means of being locked into a fight that never ends against what passes for the settings afterlife as a whole, it can't destroy him while he can't break free and destroy the world because they are too evenly matched for it to decisively go either way.

What Cloud fights at the end of the movie is just the small portion of himself Sephiroth could get through the quarantine by manifesting through the Jenova cells Kadaj absorbed, which was thankfully limited in number due to Rufus shooting a hole in the box earlier, making the manifestation weaker than it otherwise would have been.

To make a comparison: In Mass Effect 2 Harbinger frequently ends up ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL over mooks, but while a lot stronger than the base creature they are really nowhere near the level of the real deal. Think of the same thing happening here, with Kadaj being the host and Jenova Cells being the catalyst enabling the possesion to take place.

Then Sephiroth went and crippled himself further because he's grown to hate Cloud so much that he wants to break his spirit completely and utterly before killing him, causing him to go all "Must inflict ABSOLUTE DESPAIR before killing!"
This backfired horribly and ended in his host taking so much damage he had to abandon it.

And if you take the Word Of God seriously about Sephiroth being the single most powerful entity in the history of his native universe, and combine it with the statement about 7 and 10 taking place on different planets within the same universe, then that would put him above Sin, who was able to do https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx4WSGmjrc4 THAT while lulled into a half-asleep state.

Though a lot of this is coming from supplemental materials, so make of that what you will.

It should also be noted that Supernova apparantly works the same way high-level summons do.
Pocket dimensions.

Also, strictly speaking Bhunivelze is the strongest FF antagonist.
By a rather large margin.

[Okamimaru]

Sephiroth isn't as great as he appears... sure he looks like a badass but that fight against him at the end is a joke... I mean he gets beaten by a fake member of SOLDIER... his will was what was so strong... people forget sepherot was dead already for most of the game... his will just refused to join the lifestream... if anything Jenova is stronger...

[DracotheDragon]

see while Sephiroth was a strong warrior as part of project S, and even at his strongest he could use super Nova, he still isn't the strongest villain in the final fantasy franchise,

Kefka was a GOD while Sepha-Sephiroth was just a arch angel in comparison, Kekfa ruled over magic and creation in his story using both those powers to destroy in a beam as slowly as he wished to make people suffer,

plus if we are going to look at other villains from the franchise Ultimecia is stronger then sephiroth due to her being able to compress time and space, even one of her forms quite literally has the fabric of reality going into her,
then you have Bhenivelze a god of creation that created 3 gods under him, governing life and death creating planets, and chaos even with his death he took planets and destroyed them into nothingness, and even created life to take over once they gained souls.
plus you cannot ignore both Chaos and garland from ff1 and the emperor from ff2 who fought eternaly (for chaos) and ruled over both heaven and hell (emperor)

but ignoring the villains then you have the heroes, Cloud beat sephiroth multiple times, Lightning defeted a god, terra killed a god a lot of the heroes are far more powerful then sephiroth, and seeing how omega is fascinated by the anomaly of heroes winning, it wouldn't shock me if we fight THE warrior of light and other heroes in the alpha scape before Omega.


if anything i predict we will fight all previous heroes in one battle from ff1 to ff13 (and maybe ff15) in a nice homage to the final fantasy heroes in one tier of the alphascape, with other tiers being for super bosses like emerald weapon, penance and finally Omega.

[Mixt]

Sephiroth and Jenova are one and the same at that point.

It's worth noting that Jenova had been sitting there doing absolutely nothing for decades after Shinra dug it up until Sephiroth went and merged with it.
Prior to that point it showed no signs of any kind of agency, as if the Cetra had turned it braindead when they beat it.

Jenova had basically been reduced to a mindless meatsuit, it's powers were intact and it was technically alive, but it had no agency.
Then Sephiroth came along and moved himself in, merging with Jenova and making it's power his own, and apparantly adopting some of it's goals in the process.

The result is a composite entity with Jenova's body and powers, but Sephiroths will steering the whole thing, working towards a plan that hybridizes Jenovas desire to eat the planet with Sephiroths own God Complex and hatred of humanity.

The "Sephiroth" you deal with in the game is ultimately both Sephiroth and Jenova combined into one entity, as if they had gone full Fusion Dance.

The final fight in the game is against a Sephiroth who is not exactly at his best.
Too make an analogy, it's like a guy who is holding back a freight train, if he moves away the train will start moving again and run him over.
So you move in and start shooting and stabbing him while he is busy keeping the train still, only to find that he is somehow still capable of lashing out and potentially killing you back if you are careless.
Apply this scenario on the metaphysical plane and it's pretty much exactly what's going on for the final battle.

And the movie is, as mentioned, little more than an avatar in the same sense as the possessed super-mooks you occasionally have to deal with in the second entry of the Mass Effect series.

As Tvtropes puts it: Worf Had The Flu.

As for his original death, it starts out with him curbstomping everyone before getting backstabbed and impaled on a sword wider than he is while distracted by a moment of what is essentially religious reverence, like sneaking up on a priest praying in front of an altar and putting a knife in his back.
Then he get's back up and wrecks the guy who did it before getting done in by environmental factors when the guy he's stabbing uses his own sword as leverage to drop him off the catwalk, resulting in a Palpatine style plunge into a reactor core...which didn't help anyone since this just let him move into Jenova's body instead, after a 5 year adjustment period.

It should also be noted that said fake SOLDIER is more powerful than Bahamut, by a large enough margin to curbstomp it while terminally ill with the aforementioned Geostigma and deprived of most of his gear.
So not exactly a pushover.

[Okamimaru]

You fight vs sephiroth with 3 people as oposed to Kefka who fights a 4 man party... this is after his first 3 stages (the statues he now controls) have been trashing half your party to death (character dies and isn't revived before phase ends you can't use that character for the rest of the fight which is 4phases long)... one of kefkas statues casts life 3 on its parts (because each statue has multiple parts to kill) making it revive parts when they die...

[Vrankyl]

The main reason to want FF7 themed fights and to have Sephiroth. One Winged Angel Orchestration. That is all. Still it would be cool to have it, but I do agree Sephiroth would steal the spot light from Omega.

[HyoMinPark]

The main reason to want FF7 themed fights and to have Sephiroth. One Winged Angel Orchestration. That is all. Still it would be cool to have it, but I do agree Sephiroth would steal the spot light from Omega.

If they did VII, there’s no way they could make Sephiroth/Safer-Sephiroth the third fight and not receive some backlash from it. They’d have to make Omega a fifth fight or a separate fight from the overall tier. Either would be interesting in terms of design since they haven’t done a five-tier Savage since Binding Coil, but making Sephiroth #3 and Omega #4 would probably not sit well with VII die-hards.

[jameseoakes]

If they did VII, there’s no way they could make Sephiroth/Safer-Sephiroth the third fight and not receive some backlash from it. They’d have to make Omega a fifth fight or a separate fight from the overall tier. Either would be interesting in terms of design since they haven’t done a five-tier Savage since Binding Coil, but making Sephiroth #3 and Omega #4 would probably not sit well with VII die-hards.

Not having Septhiroth fight on par with the others just would be a terrible idea, so if there is a full FF7 set they need to do Omega himself either of the ways you suggest

[Mixt]

Honestly, i hope they do 10.

Sin/Jecht would be fun to fight.

Besides, we have already established that by Word Of God Sephiroth at his best is stronger than Sin, so it would only make sense to do the oversized space whale first.


Also, a fun thing i have been thinking about where Sephiroth is concerned.

The Lifestream typically exists deep beneath the earth, only coming up to the surface in special circumstances, such as in natural springs or when Mako Reactors pulls it up.
Existance in the Lifestream if you manage to retain your conciousness is said be a dream-like state.
As of Advent Children, Sephiroth somehow managing to manifest his full power in the corporeal world would pretty much spell the end of the planet, thankfully Aerith is ensuring this won't happen, with Gaia itself and all the other spirits within the Lifestream ganging up on him and quarantining him, even if they are unable to muster the power to destroy him outright because he's grown too damned strong for that, leading to a stalemate.
He also has a penchant for getting into peoples heads and driving them to madness, as many a Geostigma victim and Cloud found out the hard way.

Combine these facts and you get "Deep beneath the earth, dead Sephiroth lies dreaming, all mortals exposed to him shall be driven mad/Terminally depressed and suicidal, and should he ever wake the world will end"
All that's missing now is a line about the stars being right.

As for who the WEAKEST FF villain is, i would say that's Vayne Solidor from 12.
Even after two power-ups he's just plain lacking in combat ability compared to every other FF villain out there, though he does fall into the short list of antagonists who managed to complete his goal, even if it killed him in the process, a list he shares with Jecht.

[Limecat]

Actually, another idea: The final boss is going to be Alpha. Your choice of whatever shenanigans bring this about:
Omega decides to see where the strength of your party comes from(whether it's because of Alpha himself lending you battle power inside the sim, or your character).
Alpha is ultimately part of Omega, and he recalls/absorbs/fuses for the fight.
You beat Omega, but this simply means that Alpha is now the strongest component of the 'Scape and immediately takes Omega's place as the master/tester.
*Insert reason that sounds plausible here.*

Then imagine Chocobo (Savage) times 1000.