Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[HyoMinPark]

Out of all the things to talk about you want to talk about "buzzwords?" Also be careful with accusations, there's no personal vendettas here; spreading lies is also a reported offense.
The irony in your last sentence is that there's nothing more immature than spreading lies and not practicing what you preach.

The opening posts and subsequent responses have devolved this thread into nothing more than bickering filled with buzzwords about “white-washing” and the like with regards to character customization in this game. The OP has failed to acknowledge or respond to the myriad of examples provided by posters that some of the traits they desire are achievable in the system as it currently stands. Instead, they chose to personally attack several of the posters that disagreed with them with insinuations that they were stupid and/or slow. Responses like that don’t make people coming into the thread keen to listen to them; at least, it didn’t for me. I have no qualms about people asking for more curly/kinked hairstyles, more face types for all races, or for color sliders/color wheels to add in even more personalization. But the heated talks about skin color and inequality with regards to representativeness were unneeded.

Any sort of well-thought out suggestions were lost the moment people started turning this into a real-life racial “debate” within a fantasy game. If you want to make suggestions for more character customization, leave terminology that can be construed as insinuations that one or more parties are “racist” out of it.

It’s not spreading lies when someone points out that you continue to unconstructively respond to someone with “high horse” comments in various threads**. Nor it is spreading lies to say that it’s not constructive to the overall discussion. Your comment about it was completely unnecessary, but you felt the need to make it anyways. But, by all means, call others the immature ones.

**EDIT: My mistake— your comments were all made in this thread. This is what happens when I read too many strange threads on the OF. So I’ll apologize for my mistake; however, the continued comments about “high horses” are still unnecessary and not constructive, and the bickering should stop. From everyone.

[Rogatum]

Let the Hairy Revolution begin!

#where'sthehair

#allforhairandhairforall

Genius! Take my up vote as a sign of support, would be nice to not have to seek "outside" sources for my chest hair fix.

[Joven]

Genius! Take my up vote as a sign of support, would be nice to not have to seek "outside" sources for my chest hair fix.

Welcome aboard Brother. No longer shall you feel the need to go (chest)hairless.

[Ghastly]

The opening posts and subsequent responses have devolved this thread into nothing more than bickering filled with buzzwords about “white-washing” and the like with regards to character customization in this game. The OP has failed to acknowledge or respond to the myriad of examples provided by posters that some of the traits they desire are achievable in the system as it currently stands. Instead, they chose to personally attack several of the posters that disagreed with them with insinuations that they were stupid and/or slow. Responses like that don’t make people coming into the thread keen to listen to them; at least, it didn’t for me. I have no qualms about people asking for more curly/kinked hairstyles, more face types for all races, or for color sliders/color wheels to add in even more personalization. But the heated talks about skin color and inequality with regards to representativeness were unneeded.

Any sort of well-thought out suggestions were lost the moment people started turning this into a real-life racial “debate” within a fantasy game. If you want to make suggestions for more character customization, leave terminology that can be construed as insinuations that one or more parties are “racist” out of it.

It’s not spreading lies when someone points out that you continue to unconstructively respond to someone with “high horse” comments in various threads**. Nor it is spreading lies to say that it’s not constructive to the overall discussion. Your comment about it was completely unnecessary, but you felt the need to make it anyways. But, by all means, call others the immature ones.

**EDIT: My mistake— your comments were all made in this thread. This is what happens when I read too many strange threads on the OF. So I’ll apologize for my mistake; however, the continued comments about “high horses” are still unnecessary and not constructive, and the bickering should stop. From everyone.

You saying "everyone" brings the important factor of why some of you are bothered by the idea suggested in OP: You think that if anyone disagrees with your disagreement of the idea of better race representation that they're calling you a racist. As a matter of fact, you have no proof of such insinuations besides paranoia. What you're essentially seeking is people to rinse the subject through to the point where it's no longer asking for race options so that your paranoia for discussing the subject disappears.

See how you continue to make this about how the idea is being delivered and never about the idea itself?

[Wiccan026]

Male Bunny Suit on GS NPCs

Gender Bias in Character Creation

Character Creation Has A Race Problem

Three different threads all advocating for representation in the game, even if not communicated in the best ways. Judging from posts we all seem ultimately to want the same things, despite wanting it in different ways...

Had the OP just made a thread wanting more customization (and than even suggesting a few things) this thread could have been more "productive" and less "volatile" because most of us want more customization in general. They made it go somewhere it didn't need to and that just takes us all away from something most people would want to get behind.


Oh and the male bunny suit still saddens me, when they said they were redoing it for guys I expected more of a Chippendale look, called them out on twitter too when I saw because that's what I would have wanted a version of.

[drgonzo]

People on this forum wonder why we the NA fan base are not taken seriously and feel we are ignored. This type of race bating nonsense is yet another example of why they stay the hell away from this forum and us. I can assure you if your post was as simple as hey we need more inclusive options, you would have unlimited support here. Unfortunately your post is again mere race bating and is in no way constructive to getting any positive change to occur. That being said I would love to make a true ginger character but sadly that isn't really possible with the current character creator. So OP by your logic is SE biased now against Northern European red haired people as well. This entire post is such a sad example of sudo intellectual identity politics. If I was a SE member reading this I would roll my eyes so hard one may actually fall right out.

[Emstidor]

Oh and the male bunny suit still saddens me, when they said they were redoing it for guys I expected more of a Chippendale look, called them out on twitter too when I saw because that's what I would have wanted a version of.

You can absolutely make a chippendale look with the pieces we have though, it's extremely easy to get neck tie + cuffs + leather pants + bunny ears together. The male bunny suit people actually got you the last parts you needed for it.

[Wiccan026]

You can absolutely make a chippendale look with the pieces we have though, it's extremely easy to get neck tie + cuffs + leather pants + bunny ears together. The male bunny suit people actually got you the last parts you needed for it.

Wearing the ribbon as a neck isn't a necktie in my book. We also already have had cuffs in the game that could have pulled it off. Having some plain black pants with bunny shoes would have been cute. The only thing that is useable (by my current standards anyways) are the ears and the cuff links and the only thing "really new" is the ears.

[Magic-Mal]

See how you continue to make this about how the idea is being delivered and never about the idea itself?

And they keep DOING IT too. Harping and harping on delivery this and delivery that, who cares at this point? If everyone is so on board with everything just talk about the suggestion then.

If I ask for mixed races, who cares if it's because I like mixed people IRL, like humans with plastic kitty ear hats, or like the idea of a Miqo'te-Hyur mix. It doesn't matter.

If someone wants bigger butts, it could be because they want a butt similar to their own, want to see a big butt all the time, want to be aroused all the time, or just want to be normal. The motive doesn't detract from the suggestion.

Stop dodging the request by inflating the thread with stupid tumblr-buzzword-racewar-delivery stuff.

I'm sure the OP would love to spend her time chatting about hairstyle and face ideas instead of racism for 20 more pages.

[HyoMinPark]

See how you continue to make this about how the idea is being delivered and never about the idea itself?

If you want an idea to be properly discussed, deliver it in a well-thoughtout manner. Poor delivery results in poorer discussion.