Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[AscendantManes]

I'll concede that the Hyur would benefit from more facial features, but as for your "racial" claim...



I literally got this result by hitting Randomize until I got something I can tweak into this. There's further hair options than available in the character creation.

I don't know what you really want, OP, because I get the feeling this isn't about character creation limitations. And maybe I don't want to know.

[Magic-Mal]

Ignoring the fact that most of those screenshots look like Caucasian people with darker skin... how does that matter?

1. They look black to me. Either exactly black or decidedly black by a clear attempt by SE to portray them such.

2. It matters because they exist and are sporting the limited hairstyles/features that can fit in a black character's design this disproving that there are no black people. I don't care if they're not African. Much like the majority of Far Eastern NPCs, they clearly represent Asians in every way besides certain game limitations like faces. SE happily added Asian hairstyles all throughout Stormblood so there you have it. When they put resources into a character design, you get Hien. A visibly Asian guy.

Also...


How in the world do you say this:

I would have no issue if this request was framed as "boy I sure do wish we had more diverse character creation options, anything to add some more differences would be great. Maybe they could incorporate things like Asiatic/African features into some facial options to switch things up."

Then say this:

Hyur are not human. They don't need the same diversity that we see in real life.

Hyur are not human. They do not inherently need to represent the full scope of human diversity and to expect them to is, in my opinion, stupid.

Within the same post? They go completely against each other. If they aren't human, how can you be okay with asking for Asian or African features when Asians and Africans are human and therefore, by your logic, can't be compared to Hyurs?

[Joven]

Have not read the thread, but the true issue with the character creator is the lack of body hair.

^Yes^. I want a chest and/or back hair option.

[MsQi]

Have not read the thread, but the true issue with the character creator is the lack of body hair.

I want a small strip of fur going a little ways up my character's back.

[Ghastly]

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1. I don't think you know what Fantasy based on reality means; hint, Othard/Hingashi isn't asian themed area out of coincidence.
2. You keep proving my point, you can't breathe unless you make sure that no idea that isn't your own is given consideration

[MoroMurasaki]

How in the world do you say this:


Then say this:


Within the same post? They go completely against each other. If they aren't human, how can you be okay with asking for Asian or African features when Asians and Africans are human and therefore, by your logic, can't be compared to Hyurs?

Saying those things go against each other would be like saying the sentiments "Miqo aren't cats" and "They could add some more ear/tail designs for Miqo inspired by real cats like calico or striped patterns" go against each other.

There is nothing wrong with the people of Doma and Hingashi appearing Asian just like there would be nothing wrong with another group of people Hyur (or another ingame race) looking decidedly African or the majority of Hyur currently appearing white/European. The issue is when people say "We have X from the real world represented so we also need Y and Z".

To me the entire racial argument outlined in this thread could just as easily be applied to Miqote. We have cat people based on cats, why not dog people based on dogs? And rabbit people, and fish people and bird people and plant people and so on and so on because if it exists irl it should be mushed with a human and made a playable race. It's only fair because Miqote exist.

That's a stupid argument because Miqote actually exist in Eorzea and dog versions of them don't just like the currently available skin tones and facial featured exist but apparently the OP's specific undertone does not.

I don't see what is so hard to grasp here.

1. I don't think you know what Fantasy based on reality means; hint, Othard/Hingashi isn't asian themed area out of coincidence.
2. You keep proving my point, you can't breathe unless you make sure that no idea that isn't your own is given consideration

I'm sorry I'm not arguing for your opinions, you're right! I should definitely spend my time making sure your voice is heard.

Or I could be a logical person and continue to express my own thoughts and feelings.

Seriously, what do you want? Is it not okay to poke holes in an idea online anymore? Its a forum to discuss things, dissenting opinions happen. Move on. You're now just complaining I disagree with a thing you like. Congrats, noted, it is clear. Maybe offer real counterpoints other than "omg you keep talking about what you think, wahhhhh" and I'll care about what you have to say.

[Magic-Mal]

I don't see what is so hard to grasp here.

Simply put, what's hard to grasp is why it's so hard for you to grasp why simple things like a haircut goes against the game world or that the game doesn't need it.

There is nothing wrong with the people of Doma and Hingashi appearing Asian just like there would be nothing wrong with another group of people Hyur (or another ingame race) looking decidedly African or the majority of Hyur currently appearing white/European.

Then what the heck is the problem then? I'm not OP. I'm not apart of the race war thing going on. I'm talking to you. If there are black and/or decidedly black/African character already in the game why are black-inspired hairstyles from the real world not needed? We already have Asian hairstyles and glamour, I don't understand. No one even said we needed it it. Just asked for it.

Saying those things go against each other would be like saying the sentiments "Miqo aren't cats" and "They could add some more ear/tail designs for Miqo inspired by real cats like calico or striped patterns" go against each other.

Miqo'tes aren't cats though. Even the game denies it. And can you find a Miqo'te IRL? Probably not. Can you find a Hyur IRL with a moustache and ponytail wearing a leather jacket? You sure can.

EDIT: Heck even then that's not the point. Because Miqo'te already have lion tails as an option so it WOULDN'T be crazy to ask for more cat tails

[Awha]

^Yes^. I want a chest and/or back hair option.

I want a small strip of fur going a little ways up my character's back.

Fight the good fight! Body hair for all no matter where!

[Joven]

Fight the good fight! Body hair for all no matter where!

#where'sthehair?

[Awha]

#where'sthehair?

#where'sthehair indeed let us make this happen!