Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Sigma-Astra]

That was me indicating that just because I'm lighter, doesn't mean I have European facial features. Because there are albino black people, there are lighter skinned black people who aren't biracial, but don't have European facial features either. I used NC44 in Mac and 330 in Fenty as makeup references for undertone. They aren't my specific shades.





I used myself as an example because you can be very dark, very light, medium tan, etc; and each of those can have different undertones. There's no yellow undertone, not just for me, but anyone else who may want one.



Not exactly indeed. It's me saying that just because no one else did it, I don't mind doing it for them. If a kid broke his leg on the playground and a school refused to report it, I'd speak up for them. Doesn't matter if it's my leg or not.



Again, to illustrate why the skins in the game look ashy, by explaining that if I (or anyone) was to use the wrong undertone, this problem could happen. And that's regardless to race.



What I said above applies to this.

Whether you believe that it was to illustrate your point or not is irrelevant because it has done exactly the opposite of what you intended and I think that you should have known ahead of time that it would, you brought your own skin and ethnicity as an opening statement into a thread where you could have just stated "Hey guys, I think we need more of this!" and list your examples of what you'd like to see, and then leave it at that.

No information about your own skin-tone, no using buzzwords like gas lighting, no saying that the game is heavily bias towards Caucasians, and no using beliefs that you think a certain group of people are being under-represented. None of that. All of that was unneeded from the very beginning. If this thread is falling apart, it's because you started it that way with a hidden agenda and the rest of us are just pointing it out.

[Nandina]

Whether you believe that it was to illustrate your point or not is irrelevant because it has done exactly the opposite of what you intended and I think that you should have known ahead of time that it would, you brought your own skin and ethnicity as an opening statement into a thread where you could have just stated "Hey guys, I think we need more of this!" and list your examples of what you'd like to see, and then leave it at that.

No information about your own skin-tone, no using buzzwords like gas lighting, , no saying that the game is heavily bias towards Caucasians, and no using ideas that you think a certain group of people are being under-represented. None of that. All of that was unneeded from the very beginning. If this thread is falling apart, it's because you started it that way with a hidden agenda and the rest of us are just pointing it out.

You sound very paranoid. There was no hidden agenda, and it seems like you want there to be. Everything was really transparent, bluntly so. You're reaching for what isn't there. What I stated didn't and still doesn't detract from the point that Hyurs need more character options. And who are you again to tell me how to communicate? I don't have to edit myself and word things in a way you and others deem acceptable. Being that I clarified multiple times what I meant, why are you all still acting confused? Once the clarification was made, everyone should've dropped that other bullshit and focused on the customization limitations for Hyur. But yet I'm allegedly the one trolling. Whatever.

[Sigma-Astra]

You sound very paranoid. There was no hidden agenda, and it seems like you want there to be. Everything was really transparent, bluntly so. You're reaching for what isn't there. What I stated didn't and still doesn't detract from the point that Hyurs need more character options. And who are you again to tell me how to communicate? I don't have to edit myself and word things in a way you and others deem acceptable. Being that I clarified multiple times what I meant, why are you all still acting confused? Once the clarification was made, everyone should've dropped that other bullshit and focused on the customization limitations for Hyur. But yet I'm allegedly the one trolling. Whatever.

I didn't realize that discussing things calmly with you was paranoia. You might want to examine yourself about that. You really need to stop with the blanket assumptions and rudeness right off the bat if you want anyone to take your criticisms seriously, just a helpful suggestion. If you're feeling threatened or offended by what I just said, then who exactly is the paranoid one again? I mean, you're pretty good at assuming that others having an opinion that goes against your own is somehow invalidating your words and telling you how to communicate. Who are you to tell me how to communicate to you?

Assuming that all of a sudden, I'm telling you how to communicate when I just offered some suggestions that you could have used to avoid these 7 pages of nonsense. You can dish criticism against others, but you surely can't take it without getting overly hostile and looking to be offended by it almost immediately while acting that your own opinions are on some kind of higher platform than others.

I mean, this thread is beyond help at this point. But, if you like seeing it become the train wreck it is then who am I to stop or say "Hey...maybe this might not have happened if you just opened with something like this instead like other topics...".