Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Sigma-Astra]

Why on earth does it STILL matter whether you have to be black or white to want greater customization choices in the character creator, even if it's just soley for Hyurs. Seriously, what does being either one have anything to do with the character creation? Why couldn't the TC simply just say "I want more of this" without continuously pointing out their skin color in almost every single post that they make?

There's literally no other reason to be drawing attention to yourself like that and then to just keep saying "this isn't me turning this into a race problem", when you keep circling the drain and using your own skin color to back up your arguments. If anyone has to mention their own race or nationality to make a point as to why XIV doesn't have it and that they're being under-represented personally, then yes, you just turned something as simple as "I would like more diverse hairstyles and skin tones from other cultural backgrounds and just in general, please" into a race problem.

[Nandina]

Why on earth does it STILL matter whether you have to be black or white to want greater customization choices in the character creator, even if it's just soley for Hyurs. Seriously, what does being either one have anything to do with the character creation? Why couldn't the TC simply just say "I want more of this" without continuously pointing out their skin color in almost every single post that they make?

There's literally no other reason to be drawing attention to yourself like that and then to just keep saying "this isn't me turning this into a race problem", when you keep circling the drain and using your own skin color to back up your arguments. If anyone has to mention their own race or nationality to make a point as to why XIV doesn't have it and that they're being under-represented personally, then yes, you just turned something as simple as "I would like more diverse hairstyles and skin tones from other cultural backgrounds, please" into a race problem.

Anyone is welcome to ask for more options if they desire for any race of their choosing the same way I asked for more for Hyurs. I didn't point out my specific skin color, I used other skin colors as an example to highlight what I meant by undertone. I used those shade ranges with the makeup example because it showcased what I meant by brown skin with a yellow undertone. And like I said previously, I used real life examples to showcase what I meant, because saying diverse hairstyles and skin tones isn't specific. We asked for diverse hairstyles for a while now and they give us different styles for straight instead.

[Sigma-Astra]

Anyone is welcome to ask for more options if they desire for any race of their choosing the same way I asked for more for Hyurs. I didn't point out my specific skin color, I used other skin colors as an example to highlight what I meant by undertone.

So you mean to tell me that my black and brown friends are good enough to receive a subscription from, but not good enough to have the character creation cater to them as well? I'm biracial (black mom, Russian dad) and while I'm not dark skinned I don't have thin lips and sharp facial features.

^^^ That is literally part of your opening paragraph to the thread.

I’m on the lighter spectrum of skin color, but I have a yellow undertone that I couldn’t find in the creator. I’m criticizing cause I pay a sub.

There's #2.

A lot of black and brown gamers don't even speak up because of backlash like this, but I don't mind being the martyr, cause everybody can catch this virtual hands, lmao. Let's go.

Not EXACTLY saying, but hey, you're kind of hinting that you're using your own ethnicity to fuel this crusade. so, #2.5

Like I can go dark, very dark actually, but I can’t really be in the middle. When I went very dark, there was still only either red tones or blue tones; no yellow or olive, which I’m pretty certain is why the skin looks funny. Like in real life, if I put a foundation on that matches my skin color, but has the wrong undertone, it looks funny. There too many duplicates of the same color and undertone.

#3, only stressing this one because it coincides with your statement in the opening paragraph.

But when people question it, you’re saying that to get the experience we want, black people have to be hulking beasts. Yes I say beasts, cause there’s nothing human about a Roegadyn or any of the other races. Sure they may be humanoid, but they aren’t human. As for the highlanders, I don’t want to look like a weight lifter, and many other black girls don’t either. What if a black or brown boy wants be toned and slim and not massive and aggressive looking, but doesn’t want to be an Elezen or Miqo’te (which doesn’t have his features anyway)?

#4, not stated explicitly, but using the other quotes as a reference, we get the picture.

But, I mean, there's everything plain in writing mostly.

[Nandina]

^^^ That is literally part of your opening paragraph to the thread.

That was me indicating that just because I'm lighter, doesn't mean I have European facial features. Because there are albino black people, there are lighter skinned black people who aren't biracial, but don't have European facial features either. I used NC44 in Mac and 330 in Fenty as makeup references for undertone. They aren't my specific shades.

There's #2.

I used myself as an example because you can be very dark, very light, medium tan, etc; and each of those can have different undertones. There's no yellow undertone, not just for me, but anyone else who may want one.

Not EXACTLY saying, but hey, you're kind of hinting that you're using your own ethnicity to fuel this crusade. so, #2.5

Not exactly indeed. It's me saying that just because no one else did it, I don't mind doing it for them. If a kid broke his leg on the playground and a school refused to report it, I'd speak up for them. Doesn't matter if it's my leg or not.

#3, only stressing this one because it coincides with your statement in the opening paragraph.

Again, to illustrate why the skins in the game look ashy, by explaining that if I (or anyone) was to use the wrong undertone, this problem could happen. And that's regardless to race.

#4, not stated explicitly, but using the other quotes as a reference, we get the picture.

But, I mean, there's everything plain in writing mostly.

What I said above applies to this.

[Sigma-Astra]

That was me indicating that just because I'm lighter, doesn't mean I have European facial features. Because there are albino black people, there are lighter skinned black people who aren't biracial, but don't have European facial features either. I used NC44 in Mac and 330 in Fenty as makeup references for undertone. They aren't my specific shades.





I used myself as an example because you can be very dark, very light, medium tan, etc; and each of those can have different undertones. There's no yellow undertone, not just for me, but anyone else who may want one.



Not exactly indeed. It's me saying that just because no one else did it, I don't mind doing it for them. If a kid broke his leg on the playground and a school refused to report it, I'd speak up for them. Doesn't matter if it's my leg or not.



Again, to illustrate why the skins in the game look ashy, by explaining that if I (or anyone) was to use the wrong undertone, this problem could happen. And that's regardless to race.



What I said above applies to this.

Whether you believe that it was to illustrate your point or not is irrelevant because it has done exactly the opposite of what you intended and I think that you should have known ahead of time that it would, you brought your own skin and ethnicity as an opening statement into a thread where you could have just stated "Hey guys, I think we need more of this!" and list your examples of what you'd like to see, and then leave it at that.

No information about your own skin-tone, no using buzzwords like gas lighting, no saying that the game is heavily bias towards Caucasians, and no using beliefs that you think a certain group of people are being under-represented. None of that. All of that was unneeded from the very beginning. If this thread is falling apart, it's because you started it that way with a hidden agenda and the rest of us are just pointing it out.

[Nandina]

Whether you believe that it was to illustrate your point or not is irrelevant because it has done exactly the opposite of what you intended and I think that you should have known ahead of time that it would, you brought your own skin and ethnicity as an opening statement into a thread where you could have just stated "Hey guys, I think we need more of this!" and list your examples of what you'd like to see, and then leave it at that.

No information about your own skin-tone, no using buzzwords like gas lighting, , no saying that the game is heavily bias towards Caucasians, and no using ideas that you think a certain group of people are being under-represented. None of that. All of that was unneeded from the very beginning. If this thread is falling apart, it's because you started it that way with a hidden agenda and the rest of us are just pointing it out.

You sound very paranoid. There was no hidden agenda, and it seems like you want there to be. Everything was really transparent, bluntly so. You're reaching for what isn't there. What I stated didn't and still doesn't detract from the point that Hyurs need more character options. And who are you again to tell me how to communicate? I don't have to edit myself and word things in a way you and others deem acceptable. Being that I clarified multiple times what I meant, why are you all still acting confused? Once the clarification was made, everyone should've dropped that other bullshit and focused on the customization limitations for Hyur. But yet I'm allegedly the one trolling. Whatever.

[Sigma-Astra]

You sound very paranoid. There was no hidden agenda, and it seems like you want there to be. Everything was really transparent, bluntly so. You're reaching for what isn't there. What I stated didn't and still doesn't detract from the point that Hyurs need more character options. And who are you again to tell me how to communicate? I don't have to edit myself and word things in a way you and others deem acceptable. Being that I clarified multiple times what I meant, why are you all still acting confused? Once the clarification was made, everyone should've dropped that other bullshit and focused on the customization limitations for Hyur. But yet I'm allegedly the one trolling. Whatever.

I didn't realize that discussing things calmly with you was paranoia. You might want to examine yourself about that. You really need to stop with the blanket assumptions and rudeness right off the bat if you want anyone to take your criticisms seriously, just a helpful suggestion. If you're feeling threatened or offended by what I just said, then who exactly is the paranoid one again? I mean, you're pretty good at assuming that others having an opinion that goes against your own is somehow invalidating your words and telling you how to communicate. Who are you to tell me how to communicate to you?

Assuming that all of a sudden, I'm telling you how to communicate when I just offered some suggestions that you could have used to avoid these 7 pages of nonsense. You can dish criticism against others, but you surely can't take it without getting overly hostile and looking to be offended by it almost immediately while acting that your own opinions are on some kind of higher platform than others.

I mean, this thread is beyond help at this point. But, if you like seeing it become the train wreck it is then who am I to stop or say "Hey...maybe this might not have happened if you just opened with something like this instead like other topics...".