Quote Originally Posted by wondergroove View Post
Except it was literally the first thing I noticed when I first played XIV back in beta. Just because no one brought it up til now doesn't mean it was never an issue or that it wasn't noticed.

And yet, youre still here, still playing, and only chiming in about ti right now. So either your full of it, its not that big an issue to you, or youre either too lazy or cowardly to speak your mind about issues you deem worth discussing until someone else does. Give as much gunk to the Op as people would like, at least they made a thread and took teh risk of putting their thoughts out there.


Quote Originally Posted by wondergroove View Post
Also if I cut out everything that I enjoy because there were ignorant or harmful things in them, there would literally be nothing left. Everything nowadays can have something wrong with it because there is still TONS of bias out there. I can enjoy things and also acknowledge that sometimes they aren't perfect. Then I talk about those things, and how they could be better.
This comes off as "Well, yeah its bad and bothers me, but not enough that Ill stop playing!"

Youre making a personal value judgement: The short comings of this game and your feelings about said subject are less important than you being entertained. Ill tell ya something, no matter how fun a game is, if there is an overt racist message from the creators, Im not going to be playing that game.

Quote Originally Posted by wondergroove View Post
I play this MMO because I have a lovely group of friends who I play it with and who don't play anything else, and I still very much enjoy the story and a lot of the fights. But when I notice things that I know aren't good, I still acknowledge them. I still enjoy everything else, I just don't ignore harmful things just so it's more convenient for my personal comfort.
Again, youre doing cost analysis here: What must you put up with to reap a particular reward. You are literally saying "This thing that bothers me is less important than these other things." The catch with these kind of stances is teh same problem the OP has: they ignore it when it serves them, but run to the forums and talk about what a travesty it is. If the issue is that important, stop playing the game. Stick to your beliefs and dont compromise them if they mean that much to you. If you have the luxury to put your beliefs on silence when it suits you, then those beliefs arent important.

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As for why I or anyone else didn't bring it up sooner... *looks back at all the replies that amount to "OMG EVERYONE OFFENDED OVER NOTHING NOWADAYS JUST SHUT UP OR UNSUB LOL"

...gee, I wonder why anyone would be hesitant about bringing it up on the internet of all places. I couldn't even imagine why.

And there it is: the "But I half expect someone to deflect by saying 'They werent being given the chance cause...reasons.'"

Yeah, there are people who say things like that. There are also people who give nuanced answers. Thats part of public discussions. You either accept that facet or forfeit your right to have a public opinion. No one is stopping you or anyone from voicing their concerns and points, but dont expect everyone to just agree either. If you post an opinion, expect people to disagree and pick your opinion apart. You dont like that? Then dont share your opinions. These forums, btw, do a pretty good job at counteracting heckler's veto. And a lot of responses have been meaningful here. But sure, characterize it all as "OMG EVERYONE OFFENDED!" as a reason why this issue has been a non issue for so long.