Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[HyoMinPark]

And you are to judge?
Is it that you don't understand what's being asked?
Or are you intentionally playing "dumb" to avoid the subject itself?
Or is the "poor delivery" that you don't like the tone so you're proving what I was saying before about your entire intention in this subject is to deflect and never talk about the subject itself? Because so far that's all you've done in this thread which by forum guidelines is a violation.

I already stated I’m not against more customization; I’d actually prefer it over another race. I am against the poor labeling that was done in the thread title and in the opening post, because it sets up a biased premise.

This post also fits into your last comment, by the way. I’ve at least addressed the customization desires in 2/3–now 3/4–of my posts in this thread. That’s not against the forum rules.

[KaivaC]

Seems pretty clear what she wants. She made it clear for sure what she was asking for throughout the post. And not in an aggressive way. Everyone attached to that one little piece of her whole thread and made this 27 pages of nothing.

No, Magic. She turned the tone of this thread when she responded with an unnece...you know what, the hell with the sugarcoasting and pretense, she turned the tone of this thread when she responded to valkyrie's response with a semi-racist post of its own. I'm gonna call it what it is. It was semi-racist. Not calling her racist, but the tone of her very first response was semi-racist in nature. That's what started this ridiculous argument over an asinine topic. It's not the first time she's shared similar language since that posting either. Are the other posters innocent by comparison? Depending on the response, no, some of the responses, mines included, aren't innocent either. But she set that tone, and here we are: the responses therein follow that tone all the way through to here. valkyrie's initial post was aggressive...but it wasn't wrong. And I agree with the tone there - one shouldn't be looking for context over the freaking character creation when there is no context to begin with. The only leg that Nandina would've had to stand on was if the character creator did not allow any darker skin tones. That would've been the only leg she would've had.

[Awha]

On a more serious note. Body hair and Lala's should it be a thing?

[Joven]

On a more serious note. Body hair and Lala's should it be a thing?

Absolutely

[Ghastly]

So basically any idea I disagree with like equality in female/male glam I should just make it about the tone instead of the idea itself. Now we know what to say to those who complain about female/male glams and how they're not equal, just look at the the tone and if you disagree with the tone the idea should be dismissed.

I already stated I’m not against more customization; I’d actually prefer it over another race. I am against the poor labeling that was done in the thread title and in the opening post, because it sets up a biased premise.

This post also fits into your last comment, by the way. I’ve at least addressed the customization desires in 2/3–now 3/4–of my posts in this thread. That’s not against the forum rules.

Your "support" was a footnote in 1 of your posts. Your sentence about the idea suggested here is in reference to your earlier statement which you site in that sentence. So yes, all your posts have been in violation of the forum rules where you're asking the OP to talk to you in a way that doesn't make you feel insecure and then you can discuss the idea.

No, Magic. She turned the tone of this thread when she responded with an unnece...you know what, the hell with the sugarcoasting and pretense, she turned the tone of this thread when she responded to valkyrie's response with a semi-racist post of its own. I'm gonna call it what it is. It was semi-racist. Not calling her racist, but the tone of her very first response was semi-racist in nature. That's what started this ridiculous argument over an asinine topic. It's not the first time she's shared similar language since that posting either. Are the other posters innocent by comparison? Depending on the response, no, some of the responses, mines included, aren't innocent either. But she set that tone, and here we are: the responses therein follow that tone all the way through to here. valkyrie's initial post was aggressive...but it wasn't wrong. And I agree with the tone there - one shouldn't be looking for context over the freaking character creation when there is no context to begin with. The only leg that Nandina would've had to stand on was if the character creator did not allow any darker skin tones. That would've been the only leg she would've had.

So what you agree with isn't aggressive while what you disagree with is. On that note, no, OP: wasn't insinuating that Valkyrie was racist, this is just your paranoia of being thought of as a racist creeping up. Can you point out where OP was insinuating that Valkyrie was racist? Again, calm down, no one's calling you a racist. Unless again, you can prove it.

[Miste]

And you are to judge?
Is it that you don't understand what's being asked?
Or are you intentionally playing "dumb" to avoid the subject itself?
Or is the "poor delivery" that you don't like the tone so you're proving what I was saying before about your entire intention in this subject is to deflect and never talk about the subject itself? Because so far that's all you've done in this thread which by forum guidelines is a violation.

/facepalm

As someone who has only been silently following this thread....I'm just gonna politely request that you just...stop, maybe take a breather and go do something else?

I don't know why you think it is necessary to keep threatening people with "forum violations" and "oh that is a reportable offense" and throwing "high horse" labels at people. It's all unnecessary and adds nothing.

You aren't having a discussion you're just threatening other posters with nonsense and making passive aggressive snide remarks all over the place.

You don't need threats or snide remarks to simply disagree with someone's opinions so maybe you should work on that.

[Magic-Mal]

No, Magic. She turned the tone of this thread when she responded with an unnece...you know what, the hell with the sugarcoasting and pretense, she turned the tone of this thread when she responded to valkyrie's response with a semi-racist post of its own. I'm gonna call it what it is. It was semi-racist. Not calling her racist, but the tone of her very first response was semi-racist in nature. That's what started this ridiculous argument over an asinine topic. It's not the first time she's shared similar language since that posting either. Are the other posters innocent by comparison? Depending on the response, no, some of the responses, mines included, aren't innocent either. But she set that tone, and here we are: the responses therein follow that tone all the way through to here. valkyrie's initial post was aggressive...but it wasn't wrong. And I agree with the tone there - one shouldn't be looking for context over the freaking character creation when there is no context to begin with.

Aggression is bad no matter what. It's not fair to say you agree with Valkyrie's aggression so she's right but disagree with Nandina's aggression so she's wrong. Aggression is aggression. And Valkyrie's chose to talk about the bit of race stuff in Nandina's post and then got aggressive with it, instead of simply responding to the suggestion. She could've even said a bit a both:

"No I don't think we need this or could have this because blahblahblah.

Also, please don't make this a RL racial issue blahblah."
But that didn't happen..

The only leg that Nandina would've had to stand on was if the character creator did not allow any darker skin tones. That would've been the only leg she would've had.

Wait... Just skin tone? She couldn't ask for "African" hairstyles or facial features(we already know the features are unlikely for #Yoshireasons)?

[Ghastly]

/facepalm

As someone who has only been silently following this thread....I'm just gonna politely request that you just...stop, maybe take a breather and go do something else?

I don't know why you think it is necessary to keep threatening people with "forum violations" and "oh that is a reportable offense" and throwing "high horse" labels at people. It's all unnecessary and adds nothing.

You aren't having a discussion you're just threatening other posters with nonsense and making passive aggressive snide remarks all over the place.

You don't need threats or snide remarks to simply disagree with someone's opinions so maybe you should work on that.

I realize the idea affects very few of you so it's why it's easier for those it doesn't affect to take turns replying, yet I'm in my own right to reply to whoever is replying to me. With that, you should work on staying on topic because your understanding of what a threat is isn't even remotely accurate. Again, if this is making some of you feel insecure to discuss the suggestion and its implications you don't have to.

Wait... Just skin tone? She couldn't ask for "African" hairstyles or facial features(we already know the features are unlikely for #Yoshireasons)?

Yeah that was something to read

[HyoMinPark]

Your "support" was a footnote in 1 of your posts. Your sentence about the idea suggested here is in reference to your earlier statement which you site in that sentence. So yes, all your posts have been in violation of the forum rules where you're asking the OP to talk to you in a way that doesn't make you feel insecure and then you can discuss the idea.

I’m fine to discuss character customization limitations and problems with the current character customization system; I’m not fine to discuss “race problems” that don’t exist.

It’s cute that you think I’m the insecure one here, though. It’s also cute that you continue to ignore your own threats and statements of forum violations while you continue to violate these “rules” yourself. This entire thread has been a derailment from its intended purpose, and you are fueling that. Take some time to recognize that.

you should work on staying on topic

You should take heed of that as well.

I’m off to do something more productive. No use in responding to someone who just wants to have the last word.

[MoroMurasaki]

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(I'm not snipping your posts to be disrespectful but I'm on my phone and multiquoting is rough, my apologies)

But the point is that the OP's post was clearly motivated by irl races. That is the problem. This game isnt set on earth, it's in Eorzea. They do not need to have irl races represented and the part of the OP's post you are leaving out is very hostile. Talking about taking subs from people but not having character creation "for them"? What the [expelative] is that?

That is the sentiment I take issue with.

I'm not arguing against her ideas about "saving the tigers" but just because you agree with one thing a person says doesn't mean you can't criticize something else. Her end goal may be fine as long as it fits within they established universe (which, for the most part, I think it does) but I can still call out her motivations and methods as being hyperbolic, guilt-trippy and nonsensical.

For what feels like the hundredth time I have no issue with the idea of expanding character creation (apart from the aforementioned resource allocation it could take which may not have been brought up here much but is often brought up in relation to these sort of ideas - look at male bunny suit/butt slider threads if you want to see examples) but I do have issues with anyone feeling entitled to have character creation expanded based on their own appearance or the appearance of people irl.

To be frank I am a girl with wider hips and a bigger butt. I would love to be able to see those kinds of features on my character to make her feel a bit more "me". At the same time I'm not saying SE is discriminatory with their character creator or that I am entitled to their labor towards this thing I would enjoy. If they do it that would be lovely, if they don't well it is their game and I respect their choice.

I realize the idea affects very few of you so it's why it's easier for those it doesn't affect to take turns replying, yet I'm in my own right to reply to whoever is replying to me. With that, you should work on staying on topic because your understanding of what a threat is isn't even remotely accurate. Again, if this is making some of you feel insecure to discuss the suggestion and its implications you don't have to.

I don't think anyone feels insecure, just annoyed at repeating themselves.