Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[wondergroove]

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I'm still playing the game because I still like the game, as I said before. While you may personally have a black and white absolutionist mentality wherein no one can ever continue to enjoy things they have a problem with, I'm able to separate "things I enjoy" and "things that aren't so great" in my head. It's quite easy, really, and much more rewarding than blindly defending things without a second thought OR instantly damning everything even slightly problematic as evil.

I also never said the racism was overt, just worthy of discussion at the least. But thank you for putting words in my mouth in a poor attempt to strawman me.

Also, people being hesitant to post criticism on a forum where people will go out of their way to troll or dismiss them isn't a deflection. Surprisingly, when people want to talk about things that bother them, most of the time they don't appreciate being trolled or screamed at. Sure, that doesn't mean they shouldn't expect people who disagree with them, but the hesitation is perfectly understandable when you look at some* of the harsher reactions here.

*Notice that I say "some" and not "all" here, since you have a tendency for hyperbole and intentionally misreading things.

[Nandina]

You cried racism when you put that the game has a "race problem" in the title of this post and whined about diversity and representation. Stating that SE can do whatever they want because it's their game isn't a cop-out, it's the truth. You can complain and criticize things on here all you want it doesn't change anything if they don't implement it. Do you think you're the only one on here (and by that I also mean this entire forum not just this post) who has something they've wanted to see and never got? Everybody pays a subscription, not just you, so why can't we get the things we want too huh? You keep claiming that the community controls the content around here when we're largely ignored. I could go on, but you'll most likely ignore it since apparently nobody is allowed to disagree with you over anything.

Pretty sure people offering differing opinions is not the same thing as invalidating the opinions of others.

Pointing out that something isn't practical, however nice/diversifying it would be, is not the same as invalidating or otherwise outright opposing it.

We have every right to criticize the creation we're a fan of; however, when you present that criticism on a public forum, other forum users have equal right to criticize that criticism or otherwise offer differing opinions.

To Joven’s point, I already countered that in responses to other people so going over these arguments yet again, is unnecessary. But to address you both simultaneously. I didn’t get upset about people disagreeing with me. This was also already explained in prior posts. There have been a number of people who disagreed with me, and I understood their points and moved on.

A race war? Who even said that yo...

You know what, yup, I'm done with this thread. You're using the term 'gaslighting' incorrectly, by the by. But yeah, I'm out of this thread - not worth continuing this argument anymore.

Tsumdere said that. Do scroll up.

[Joven]

Interesting tale bud, but not everyone feels that way. If you don't want more diverse representation because it doesn't effect you in any way, then you don't have to talk about it or advocate it in any way.

For a lot of people, they HAVE to play as the default white dude in games. They HAVE to play as something that isn't like them because it's the only option available. Even when there IS customization available, the options are usually still pretty limited.

Also, you're right; creators don't have to try and respectfully represent people when they create something. Fans of that creation still have every right to criticize it, point out the lack of diversity, and how that may frustrate them, however.

I advocate for the creator's choice to include whatever race, gender, etc. they want without being forced to try and appeal to everyone's sensibilities. When you start expecting every game to cater to everybody you stifle creativity and expression. This is the the creator's story they're telling, not ours.

If you feel like the character on the screen HAS to be just like you then that's your hangup. If your only criticism of a game you claim to be a fan of is simply that you aren't represented then that's kinda petty.

[Ghastly]

Now we see why Eorzea has no mixed races and why Hylda is a rarity, people will outright dismiss something that doesn't affect them. Reminds me a lot of Ishgard and the issues it brought up.
As long as it doesn't affect me it shouldn't matter to anyone else.

[MoroMurasaki]

You want diversity?

Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.

[Magic-Mal]

You want diversity?

Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.

I don't think you read it then if that's your final take-in of this thread...

[MoroMurasaki]

I don't think you read it then if that's your final take-in of this thread...

I read it. All the way up to the recent shenanigans noting skin undertones and their potential combinations with racially specific features.

I still believe this is remarkably stupid.

It's like people don't understand it's a fictional universe with completely different biology.

[Magic-Mal]

I read it. All the way up to the recent shenanigans noting skin undertones and their potential combinations with racially specific features.

I still believe this is remarkably stupid.

It's like people don't understand it's a fictional universe with completely different biology.

But it's not different. Seems to me black people are in the game. Just like the real world.

[Skivvy]

You want diversity?

Go play a person with cat ears and a tail, or a scaly dragon or perhaps a sentient potato. There is a ton of diversity available in this game if you don't want to be a typical white male protagonist.

All I see here is whiny little kids complaining they can't have exactly what they want. With threads like this popping up it's no wonder nothing from the NA OF ever makes it to the dev team, this is just stupid.

What is the harm of requesting that some more ethnic options to the faces/features? Obviously SE has an idea of what they're going for with their characters, but requesting something never hurts.

While not everyone feels this way, there are some that appreciate being able to make a character that resembles them in some tiny way. Personally, I'm always a bit disappointed when I have to slog through a game as a male character. Should it matter? Probably not, but that feeling will crop up every time.

[MsQi]

What is the harm of requesting that some more ethnic options to the faces/features?

That's not what she is doing.