Character Creation Has A Race Problem

[Nandina]

How am I trolling again? I knew someone would attempt to say that, which is why I screenshot it.

Well aren't you rude. I was just poking in jest, but ya really gotta insinuate we're stupid and you're not.

Most people are on board with wanting more natural and wavy hair. That would be really nice. Almost all of my characters are black and I would kill for some curls to go with them. But, you made it into some sort of weird pseudo-race war thing. That's where you've lost people, including myself.

Don't get pissy when a single fictional race in a fictional world doesn't conform to real life. You can make beautiful dark skinned people from almost all the races in this game. Different faces have different structures, just like there is one Miqo'te face that has full lips that is very nice. If you wanna cry about diversity, try not being a pasty white moon cat and play in character creation a little longer.

Edit :

Something I whipped up in character creation in about 5 minutes to prove a point. She's very nice and I actually might use this face set up for a future character.

So again, I quoted the same post, lmao.

[Nandina]

4. You changed your post to quote my screenshot post once you were called out for ignoring me. I see you and I know other people do too.

You are troll and/or purposefully inflammatory. I was giving it the benefit of the doubt because I have genuinely known people like you in real life, but quote editing sealed the deal. Anyone else can talk to me about the issues since I think the representation of minorities in video games is a fascinating topic that deserves to be discussed (wrote many an essay on the portrayal of women and ethnic minorities in horror/video games), but not particularly interested in someone who cherry picks. Goodbye.

Playing victim I see. You can only post but so much at one time, therefor I have to go back and edit my posts to attempt to address everyone because you only get to post but so much in a day. Just because you weren't addressed when you wanted to be, doesn't mean I was ignoring you. You posting that picture didn't address the problem.

[uvuvwevwevweonyetenyevweugwemu]

You all are hyper sensitive and stuck on the word race

Not really, there's a very good reason to be "hyper sensitive" about it. What OP describing: hairstyles, nose, skin tones, facial features. The term for that is ethnicity, not race. The races are hyur, elezen, miqote, au ra, roegadyn, lalafell. The only single racial attribute on each race: tails, ears, muscles. That's it. Everyone don't have a problem with more ethnic features, everyone will have a problem with more racial features because it's the one thing that makes them unique (Tails/Ears/Muscles).

OP is simple example of what every culture-invariant company like SE dreads, people who don't know the difference between race and culture/ethnic. Is it reason to limit character creation? No. People can be educated properly, SE just have to make that distinction clear.

Don't take it personally but I understand where SE stands or why they did this limitation. SE as japanese/asian company, I also live in a country with distinct 600+ tribe cultures, not just few like in US. If any single culture claims to be in higher place than any other or in a gaming platform were to given special treatment permanently, there would be riots. All this could have been avoided with simple "I want more African-American culture featured in character creation". Certainly that would be received more welcomed, and yes I do think they need it too.

[Awha]

Have not read the thread, but the true issue with the character creator is the lack of body hair.

[MsQi]

Have not read the thread, but the true issue with the character creator is the lack of body hair.

I want a small strip of fur going a little ways up my character's back.

[Sigma-Astra]

Why on earth does it STILL matter whether you have to be black or white to want greater customization choices in the character creator, even if it's just soley for Hyurs. Seriously, what does being either one have anything to do with the character creation? Why couldn't the TC simply just say "I want more of this" without continuously pointing out their skin color in almost every single post that they make?

There's literally no other reason to be drawing attention to yourself like that and then to just keep saying "this isn't me turning this into a race problem", when you keep circling the drain and using your own skin color to back up your arguments. If anyone has to mention their own race or nationality to make a point as to why XIV doesn't have it and that they're being under-represented personally, then yes, you just turned something as simple as "I would like more diverse hairstyles and skin tones from other cultural backgrounds and just in general, please" into a race problem.

[Nandina]

Why on earth does it STILL matter whether you have to be black or white to want greater customization choices in the character creator, even if it's just soley for Hyurs. Seriously, what does being either one have anything to do with the character creation? Why couldn't the TC simply just say "I want more of this" without continuously pointing out their skin color in almost every single post that they make?

There's literally no other reason to be drawing attention to yourself like that and then to just keep saying "this isn't me turning this into a race problem", when you keep circling the drain and using your own skin color to back up your arguments. If anyone has to mention their own race or nationality to make a point as to why XIV doesn't have it and that they're being under-represented personally, then yes, you just turned something as simple as "I would like more diverse hairstyles and skin tones from other cultural backgrounds, please" into a race problem.

Anyone is welcome to ask for more options if they desire for any race of their choosing the same way I asked for more for Hyurs. I didn't point out my specific skin color, I used other skin colors as an example to highlight what I meant by undertone. I used those shade ranges with the makeup example because it showcased what I meant by brown skin with a yellow undertone. And like I said previously, I used real life examples to showcase what I meant, because saying diverse hairstyles and skin tones isn't specific. We asked for diverse hairstyles for a while now and they give us different styles for straight instead.

[Sigma-Astra]

Anyone is welcome to ask for more options if they desire for any race of their choosing the same way I asked for more for Hyurs. I didn't point out my specific skin color, I used other skin colors as an example to highlight what I meant by undertone.

So you mean to tell me that my black and brown friends are good enough to receive a subscription from, but not good enough to have the character creation cater to them as well? I'm biracial (black mom, Russian dad) and while I'm not dark skinned I don't have thin lips and sharp facial features.

^^^ That is literally part of your opening paragraph to the thread.

I’m on the lighter spectrum of skin color, but I have a yellow undertone that I couldn’t find in the creator. I’m criticizing cause I pay a sub.

There's #2.

A lot of black and brown gamers don't even speak up because of backlash like this, but I don't mind being the martyr, cause everybody can catch this virtual hands, lmao. Let's go.

Not EXACTLY saying, but hey, you're kind of hinting that you're using your own ethnicity to fuel this crusade. so, #2.5

Like I can go dark, very dark actually, but I can’t really be in the middle. When I went very dark, there was still only either red tones or blue tones; no yellow or olive, which I’m pretty certain is why the skin looks funny. Like in real life, if I put a foundation on that matches my skin color, but has the wrong undertone, it looks funny. There too many duplicates of the same color and undertone.

#3, only stressing this one because it coincides with your statement in the opening paragraph.

But when people question it, you’re saying that to get the experience we want, black people have to be hulking beasts. Yes I say beasts, cause there’s nothing human about a Roegadyn or any of the other races. Sure they may be humanoid, but they aren’t human. As for the highlanders, I don’t want to look like a weight lifter, and many other black girls don’t either. What if a black or brown boy wants be toned and slim and not massive and aggressive looking, but doesn’t want to be an Elezen or Miqo’te (which doesn’t have his features anyway)?

#4, not stated explicitly, but using the other quotes as a reference, we get the picture.

But, I mean, there's everything plain in writing mostly.

[Nandina]

^^^ That is literally part of your opening paragraph to the thread.

That was me indicating that just because I'm lighter, doesn't mean I have European facial features. Because there are albino black people, there are lighter skinned black people who aren't biracial, but don't have European facial features either. I used NC44 in Mac and 330 in Fenty as makeup references for undertone. They aren't my specific shades.

There's #2.

I used myself as an example because you can be very dark, very light, medium tan, etc; and each of those can have different undertones. There's no yellow undertone, not just for me, but anyone else who may want one.

Not EXACTLY saying, but hey, you're kind of hinting that you're using your own ethnicity to fuel this crusade. so, #2.5

Not exactly indeed. It's me saying that just because no one else did it, I don't mind doing it for them. If a kid broke his leg on the playground and a school refused to report it, I'd speak up for them. Doesn't matter if it's my leg or not.

#3, only stressing this one because it coincides with your statement in the opening paragraph.

Again, to illustrate why the skins in the game look ashy, by explaining that if I (or anyone) was to use the wrong undertone, this problem could happen. And that's regardless to race.

#4, not stated explicitly, but using the other quotes as a reference, we get the picture.

But, I mean, there's everything plain in writing mostly.

What I said above applies to this.

[Sigma-Astra]

That was me indicating that just because I'm lighter, doesn't mean I have European facial features. Because there are albino black people, there are lighter skinned black people who aren't biracial, but don't have European facial features either. I used NC44 in Mac and 330 in Fenty as makeup references for undertone. They aren't my specific shades.





I used myself as an example because you can be very dark, very light, medium tan, etc; and each of those can have different undertones. There's no yellow undertone, not just for me, but anyone else who may want one.



Not exactly indeed. It's me saying that just because no one else did it, I don't mind doing it for them. If a kid broke his leg on the playground and a school refused to report it, I'd speak up for them. Doesn't matter if it's my leg or not.



Again, to illustrate why the skins in the game look ashy, by explaining that if I (or anyone) was to use the wrong undertone, this problem could happen. And that's regardless to race.



What I said above applies to this.

Whether you believe that it was to illustrate your point or not is irrelevant because it has done exactly the opposite of what you intended and I think that you should have known ahead of time that it would, you brought your own skin and ethnicity as an opening statement into a thread where you could have just stated "Hey guys, I think we need more of this!" and list your examples of what you'd like to see, and then leave it at that.

No information about your own skin-tone, no using buzzwords like gas lighting, no saying that the game is heavily bias towards Caucasians, and no using beliefs that you think a certain group of people are being under-represented. None of that. All of that was unneeded from the very beginning. If this thread is falling apart, it's because you started it that way with a hidden agenda and the rest of us are just pointing it out.