Now that SMN have Bahamut can we have the others?

[CorbinDallas]

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

[BillyKaplan]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

Tsukuyoki began fading when Yotsuyu's determination/grief wavered despite there being enough crystals for her to power up after the adds phase. I'm not saying they can't go "well yeah but you can still summon an egi if you wanted", just that they have a good case of also saying "but those are too complicated" and hiding behind it.

Moot point either way though, Byakko and whatever other Four Lords we'll fight still cement the point I was trying to make.

[Nestama]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

I don't think so... Shiva was only able to be summoned because Ysayle believed she was the reincarnation Shiva (and if we summon Shiva, then it's disrespecting both Hraesvelgr and Ysayle). The other one I don't think can even be summoned at all unless we have that mirror (and honestly, why would anyone want to summon a heartless monster?). That's just the full forms, though.

[kikix12]

I don't think so... Shiva was only able to be summoned because Ysayle believed she was the reincarnation Shiva (and if we summon Shiva, then it's disrespecting both Hraesvelgr and Ysayle). The other one I don't think can even be summoned at all unless we have that mirror (and honestly, why would anyone want to summon a heartless monster?). That's just the full forms, though.

A primal is merely a thought manifested. The mirror for Tsukuyomi or the host for both of those and Thordan...Those are irrelevant.

Thordan wanted to become primal, that's why he BECAME the primal. He didn't want to summon one.
Ysayle wanted to soothe the grief of Hraesvelg and was willing to offer herself for that cause. That's why she turned into Shiva.
And "Tsuyu" became Tsukuyomi because she wanted to take revenge personally and the mirror simply was a focus to direct her to the goal.

If someone else wanted to summon Shiva, but not want to become her, it would succeed. Shiva so summoned would also be however the summoner made it to be. Like the quest with Titan summoned by the young kobolt. His grief made Titan, the protector of kobolds, harm kobolds...and try to wreck even more destruction onto many more kobolds. That's because they are not creatures per se...Just the thoughts of what one believes in given form and power by the crystals, with their nature twisting those wishes to suck the land dry of ether.

[Brightshadow]

A primal is merely a thought manifested. The mirror for Tsukuyomi or the host for both of those and Thordan...Those are irrelevant.

Thordan wanted to become primal, that's why he BECAME the primal. He didn't want to summon one.
Ysayle wanted to soothe the grief of Hraesvelg and was willing to offer herself for that cause. That's why she turned into Shiva.
And "Tsuyu" became Tsukuyomi because she wanted to take revenge personally and the mirror simply was a focus to direct her to the goal.

If someone else wanted to summon Shiva, but not want to become her, it would succeed. Shiva so summoned would also be however the summoner made it to be. Like the quest with Titan summoned by the young kobolt. His grief made Titan, the protector of kobolds, harm kobolds...and try to wreck even more destruction onto many more kobolds. That's because they are not creatures per se...Just the thoughts of what one believes in given form and power by the crystals, with their nature twisting those wishes to suck the land dry of ether.

Agreed, who says we can't see the spirit of Ysayle in a quest or one of her followers who teach us to summon shiva. This is a game anything is possible. And it's time that the other summons actually look like summons, sure bahamut got some complaints but overall everyone is happy with him. I think we should aim for the original 6 first since they relate to summoner so deeply, then perhaps add more glamours like a tsukuyomi glamour for shiva, and alexander glamour for bahamut.

Actually thinking about it, I would really love to see Ysayle come back as a spirit to offer us a shiva trial to obtain her similar to how we obtain ramuh in FF9 that was pretty epic.

If bard could get so much love, I think summoner could get a little loving too, heck if you want you can even sell some primal glamours in the cash shop, but the ARR elemental primals and bahamut should definitely be a free part of the job.