Now that SMN have Bahamut can we have the others?

[Brightshadow]

Since Summoners now have a proper Bahamut Summon, can we please have a proper Garuda, Ifrit, and Titan Summon and perhaps finally add the missing traditional summons Ramuh, Shiva, and Leviathan. (Cough Alexander would be nice too at LV80)

[Brightshadow]

Reserved for a idea.

[Ghastly]

We need all primals as demi versions. A real summoner can summon all/almost all the summons, this is how it's always been in FF. Just let us select from a list (similar to role actions list).


It's about time they let me summon Byakko or Tsukuyomi

[BillyKaplan]

It's about time they let me summon Byakko or Tsukuyomi

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

[Eloah]

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

It doesn't matter how a primal was summoned, as long as the Summoner was "bathed" in the Primals Aether. Granted how one gets bathed might be "changing" since we've seen more NPCs get closer to Primals.

As for the summons we should have access to, we first need to finish the main 6, so they need to add Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva Egis, and adjust it so all 6 are viable if unique or able to swap into a specific role, Caster/Tank/Melee. The next thing is to figure out what Primals could replace Bahamut, the main one being Alexander at the moment. We need more summons true, but we can't have an over abundance. Besides Summoners initial quirks, the main issue is the player base wanted to finish the summon set they were expecting, and were told/teased at getting. Truthfully, if SE had just adjusted the issues and given us the other 3 Primals, "everyone" would be satisfied, and getting other Primals would just feel like a bonus.

But in the end, while getting more Primals would be great, there has to be a limit, not saying the 3 others are that limit but they are at least needed.

[Rufalus]

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

Just do something something the job tutor girl learns new techniques by studying auracite, enables us to summon the shapes of any things in our memories. But all primals up to SB is probably asking too much for the near future. More ARR stuff is fine for a start.

[CorbinDallas]

These are two great examples for why they probably won't do that - Tsukuyomi - and Shiva - were only summoned into host bodies, we don't know if they can be summoned on their own, same goes for Susano. Now, Susano at least was said to be a Primal, but Byakko isn't. There's no lore reason for us to be able to summon him. And it's this nitpicking - you can summon this but can't summon that for some arbitrary reason - why they're not going to give us more.

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

[BillyKaplan]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

Tsukuyoki began fading when Yotsuyu's determination/grief wavered despite there being enough crystals for her to power up after the adds phase. I'm not saying they can't go "well yeah but you can still summon an egi if you wanted", just that they have a good case of also saying "but those are too complicated" and hiding behind it.

Moot point either way though, Byakko and whatever other Four Lords we'll fight still cement the point I was trying to make.

[Nestama]

Basic primal lore says they would be summonable without a host body. The summoner in question just needs a defined appearance in mind during the summoning.

I don't think so... Shiva was only able to be summoned because Ysayle believed she was the reincarnation Shiva (and if we summon Shiva, then it's disrespecting both Hraesvelgr and Ysayle). The other one I don't think can even be summoned at all unless we have that mirror (and honestly, why would anyone want to summon a heartless monster?). That's just the full forms, though.

[kikix12]

I don't think so... Shiva was only able to be summoned because Ysayle believed she was the reincarnation Shiva (and if we summon Shiva, then it's disrespecting both Hraesvelgr and Ysayle). The other one I don't think can even be summoned at all unless we have that mirror (and honestly, why would anyone want to summon a heartless monster?). That's just the full forms, though.

A primal is merely a thought manifested. The mirror for Tsukuyomi or the host for both of those and Thordan...Those are irrelevant.

Thordan wanted to become primal, that's why he BECAME the primal. He didn't want to summon one.
Ysayle wanted to soothe the grief of Hraesvelg and was willing to offer herself for that cause. That's why she turned into Shiva.
And "Tsuyu" became Tsukuyomi because she wanted to take revenge personally and the mirror simply was a focus to direct her to the goal.

If someone else wanted to summon Shiva, but not want to become her, it would succeed. Shiva so summoned would also be however the summoner made it to be. Like the quest with Titan summoned by the young kobolt. His grief made Titan, the protector of kobolds, harm kobolds...and try to wreck even more destruction onto many more kobolds. That's because they are not creatures per se...Just the thoughts of what one believes in given form and power by the crystals, with their nature twisting those wishes to suck the land dry of ether.