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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
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    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Immortalizd View Post
    It’s easy.. do lore hate combos!! Your role is to keep hate not dps, so doing 1 hate combo and then only dps is asking for issues, why? Cause a dps’s job is to ONLY dps, we did get 20% enmity reduction with each 3rd eye proc.. but doesn’t mean a dps will use it,, same issue, to worried about dps vs what’s best for the whole team.. a good tank uses extra hate combos vs worrying about his dps, a good dps uses skills to reduce enmity to allow tanks to dps more.. it’s a team thing and MURICAN players are only me me me.
    One hate combo won't be enough to hold off a Samurai doing decent damage but electing not to use Diversion. The tank will be forced back into tank stance, which is a substantial loss to the raid as they're now throwing away free damage all because that Samurai was too lazy to press one button. Teamwork goes both ways. In your scenario, if you have a stubborn DPS not using Diversion, it's better to simply replace them with someone more willing to be a team player. Enmity is no longer just a tank's job, but a party's job. If the DPS aren't controlling their aggro, they're demanding the tank adjust for them.
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    Hierro's Avatar
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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Malboro
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor View Post
    One hate combo won't be enough to hold off a Samurai doing decent damage but electing not to use Diversion.
    I'm hard-pressed to believe a decent samurai WON'T have diversion built into their opener, leading me to believe such a player to be a non-factor like the rest of non-diversion using players.
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    Lilyth Chan
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    Gilgamesh
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    Black Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    I'm hard-pressed to believe a decent samurai WON'T have diversion built into their opener, leading me to believe such a player to be a non-factor like the rest of non-diversion using players.
    Oh trust me, they are out there. You don't need to be that skilled to pull off good numbers as a Samurai. In fact, gear Ilvl is a big factor here. A player with a 370 weapon + basic rotation knowledge (i.e. keeps their GCD rolling) in a scenario where there is no Voke + Shirk helping the MT, will most likely pull aggro off of them unless they are kind enough to adjust to this particular DPS lazyness.
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    I'm hard-pressed to believe a decent samurai WON'T have diversion built into their opener, leading me to believe such a player to be a non-factor like the rest of non-diversion using players.
    You would be amazed. Just last night, I had both a BLM and RDM nipping my heels because either used Diversion or Lucid until I basically let them have Kefka (Normal). Which segues into another common occurrence I see; DPS using Diversion once they take aggro or are just about to. This makes it entirely useless since Diversion is a suppressor, not a dump. So long as you have a decent idea of how the job works, like Lilyth said, you will generate enough aggro to catch the tank, especially if their co-tank isn't Shirking or you're running content where that isn't possible.
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    Taiyo Shikasu
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    Behemoth
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    Bard Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    I'm hard-pressed to believe a decent samurai WON'T have diversion built into their opener, leading me to believe such a player to be a non-factor like the rest of non-diversion using players.
    That implies decent samurai aren't basically unicorns.
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