DPS Enmity controls

[Azbroolah]

You guys seriously have trouble understanding that there's different play standards in savage and regular content, don't you?

It's not like we're saying DPS players should go do hours of rotation practice and dummy parses to climb up to 7k DPS and play perfectly. We're saying "press Diversion when you're going to burst" or "press Lucid when you're climbing the list." It's literally that easy -- press a single button that costs you nothing so that your tank doesn't have to pay the price and cover up for your laziness.

[TaiyoShikasu]

wow, my eyes have been open

guys, healers should heal, only!

tanks, use your 123 aggro combo ONLY and in tank stance as your ONLY stance.

This guy is such a visionary.

Respecting the content is a team job.

[Sunako]

Using diversion also cost you one role action slot. You have to choose do you wanna use lucid for mana, swiftcast for mobility or instaraise, addle for aoe mitigation or dps, apoc for tank busters, manashift for healers or bard foe, surecast preventing kncokbacks etc. You dont really wanna use diversion and sacrifice one of these skills if it is not 100% demanded.

[Azbroolah]

Using diversion also cost you one role action slot. You have to choose do you wanna use lucid for mana, swiftcast for mobility or instaraise, addle for aoe mitigation or dps, apoc for tank busters, manashift for healers or bard foe, surecast preventing kncokbacks etc. You dont really wanna use diversion and sacrifice one of these skills if it is not 100% demanded.

A player who cares enough about teamwork to consistently use Apocatastasis or Addle will know when they need to use Diversion. I highly doubt any of the people in this thread arguing against using Diversion have ever touched any of those role actions. Also, Lucid is an enmity dump in addition to Mana regen.

[Lilyth]

Using diversion also cost you one role action slot. You have to choose do you wanna use lucid for mana, swiftcast for mobility or instaraise, addle for aoe mitigation or dps, apoc for tank busters, manashift for healers or bard foe, surecast preventing kncokbacks etc. You dont really wanna use diversion and sacrifice one of these skills if it is not 100% demanded.

Diversion IS 100% demanded.

For casters you only really need Swiftcast, Lucid and Diversion. The other two are freebies depending on the encounter. Are there knockbacks? Surecast + Manashift. Healers need help with mitigating magical roomwide AoEs and are there knockbacks (God Kefka)? Addle + Surecast. Are there heavy magical tankbusters + heavy roomwide AoEs (UwU)? Addle + Apoc.

The only real exception here is the SMN who needs Addle for an extra Wyrmwave, but even then you would be better removing surecast than Diversion which wouldn't really impact such a mobile class.

Also, this argument is soon to become irrelevant given how all 10 Role Actions are to become available for you in the future.

[Sunako]

Diversion IS 100% demanded.

For casters you only really need Swiftcast, Lucid and Diversion. The other two are freebies depending on the encounter. Are there knockbacks? Surecast + Manashift. Healers need help with mitigating magical roomwide AoEs and are there knockbacks (God Kefka)? Addle + Surecast. Are there heavy magical tankbusters + heavy roomwide AoEs (UwU)? Addle + Apoc.

The only real exception here is the SMN who needs Addle for an extra Wyrmwave, but even then you would be better removing surecast than Diversion which wouldn't really impact such a mobile class.

Also, this argument is soon to become irrelevant given how all 10 Role Actions are to become available for you in the future.

It also depends on class. SMN pet is doing big part of your dps and pet have separated enmity generation compared to your main character. So you theoretically do like 25% less enmity all of the time. Even for world first UwU kill summoner did not use diversion.

[Lilyth]

It also depends on class. SMN pet is doing big part of your dps and pet have separated enmity generation compared to your main character. So you theoretically do like 25% less enmity all of the time. Even for world first UwU kill summoner did not use diversion.

While it's true that the SMN's is the only real exception here since their pet takes part of the aggro generation from the class, their opener is still quite bursty, easily spiking more than 10K DPS. Dealing with spiky openers is Diversion's main scope.

The world first UwU kill SMN not having diversion is a completely different and very specific scenario that shouldn't really be used as an excuse to not use it on, let's say, Phantom Train normal.

[HyoMinPark]

Using diversion also cost you one role action slot.

Don’t worry, you won’t have to worry about that at all come 4.4! : ok_hand :
There will be literally no excuse.

Seriously. I would sacrifice half of my physical ranged role actions just to have access to Diversion on BRD. >.>

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Using diversion also cost you one role action slot. You have to choose do you wanna use lucid for mana, swiftcast for mobility or instaraise, addle for aoe mitigation or dps, apoc for tank busters, manashift for healers or bard foe, surecast preventing kncokbacks etc. You dont really wanna use diversion and sacrifice one of these skills if it is not 100% demanded.

Players utilizing those skills typically know how to manage Lucid/Diversion enough where they don't need both. In dungeons, you will never need apoc or addle since those bosses barely tickle half the time. In full party settings, there is no scenario where forcing a tank into tank stance is a rDPS gain. In fact, it's an overall loss even if it means you lose a GCD. That's how bad tank stance is, and why tanks avoid it like the plague. Even with that all said, there isn't a fight where you wouldn't slot Diversion and/or Lucid. And you should time your Lucid uses around your aggro not your MP. In fact, it's far better to use Lucid when you're at 80% MP because it won't tick fast enough to cap, provided you're actively DPSing. The only two jobs who have any argument about not managing aggro are Bard and Machinist, because they have to be mindful of blowing a party resource. Samurai and Black Mage? No, they have options. And if you're to lazy to use them, well, the tank's patience determines if you live or not.

It also depends on class. SMN pet is doing big part of your dps and pet have separated enmity generation compared to your main character. So you theoretically do like 25% less enmity all of the time. Even for world first UwU kill summoner did not use diversion.

He did, however, use Lucid. Bear in mind, Ultimate is a poor example, especially WF prog. Everyone plays safe then because the objective is the first kill. You also have to consider each Primal and Ultima all have aggro resets. Therefore, the Warrior will always have an Unchained + Equilibrium opener ready. As the Primals are roughly three minute fights with multiple jump phases and adds in the case of Garuda and Ifrit, there isn't nearly the same aggro creep as you'd see in say, Demon Chadarnook. Not to mention, you have a Ninja rotating Shadewalker and Smokescreen.

Tanks in Ultimate aren't using tank stance for aggro reasons, they're using it live because stuff actually hurts. And you can't cheese mechanics like you can in Savage.

[Kabooa]

Don’t worry, you won’t have to worry about that at all come 4.4! : ok_hand :
There will be literally no excuse.

Seriously. I would sacrifice half of my physical ranged role actions just to have access to Diversion on BRD. >.>

That's not fair. Half of them are garbage.