We need another Housing purge

[Cylla]

That may depend on the GM, the post history on this thread indicates that it is one person. Had they kept quiet then maybe you would be right, but by making lots of noise about what they have done, I don't think a GM could turn around and say that it is two people, the evidence is there.

But the question is, will they do something about it or just turn the other way like normal and pretend they didn't see anything?
This isn't the first time it happened. Think about a year ago someone brought up an issue where in two people bought a whole ward. As far as I'm aware, those two people still have that ward claimed to themselves.

[NanaWiloh]

That may depend on the GM, the post history on this thread indicates that it is one person. Had they kept quiet then maybe you would be right, but by making lots of noise about what they have done, I don't think a GM could turn around and say that it is two people, the evidence is there.

The Temp rule was per account. Coming in now and saying it applies too people with multiple accounts and punishing them after the fact would look bad on SE. As stated before its not against the rules for the leader of FC with a house to pass leadership leave start a new FC and get a new FC house. If that was the case a lot of players would be in violation of the TOS mulitple accounts or not.

[Hamada]

But the question is, will they do something about it or just turn the other way like normal and pretend they didn't see anything?
This isn't the first time it happened. Think about a year ago someone brought up an issue where in two people bought a whole ward. As far as I'm aware, those two people still have that ward claimed to themselves.

That was different, there was no restrictions in place then. With this, they flat out explained how they got around the making purchases of FC houses when it was restricted to one FC house per account. Because they kept feeding FC houses to one account, being owned by 2 people or 1 does not matter, they where clearly bypassing a restriction, thus violating 2.1. Also as far as I am aware, they never came to the OF explaining how they bypassed or exploited some loophole.

[Cylla]

That was different, there was no restrictions in place then. With this, they flat out explained how they got around the making purchases of FC houses when it was restricted to one FC house per account. Because they kept feeding FC houses to one account, being owned by 2 people or 1 does not matter, they where clearly bypassing a restriction, thus violating 2.1. Also as far as I am aware, they never came to the OF explaining how they bypassed or exploited some loophole.

It should've never happened at all. Be it before or after the restrictions were in place.
Yet like I said earlier, we can't hold the player base accountable for SE own fault in not putting the system in right or allowing loopholes. No matter how much a player(s) try to explain their behavior, they exploited something, knew they did, even admitted to it (like now also) and SE did nothing and thus why people so boldly come here and admit it out loud. No matter how you look at it, it was against the ToS then and it is now but nothing being done, not on SE end to stop it. Then again, as I pointed out before, it doesn't stop those who are buying new service accounts just for this reason. SE only fix to this problem at this rate is instance housing. Give FC's the wards, put tighter restrictions on them.

[OliverB]

One account already had 9 houses on it. Some of them being personal houses that I relocated to secure the location and would later relinquish to transfer existing fc houses from another account in order to make it more manageable.

You guys make it sound like I had a bunch of fcs ready to purchase new plots with. Which isn’t true. Even if I wanted to, there isnt enough ressources on the Market Board to level up a bunch of FCs in a two weeks window. Especially considering the new purchases were limited to FCs only during those two weeks.

Ending up with 16 fc houses in the same ward hasn’t happened in a single evening despite what you want to believe.

[Sigma-Astra]

One account already had 9 houses on it. Some of them being personal houses that I relocated to secure the location and would later relinquish to transfer existing fc houses from another account in order to make it more manageable.

You guys make it sound like I had a bunch of fcs ready to purchase new plots with. Which isn’t true. Even if I wanted to, there isnt enough ressources on the Market Board to level up a bunch of FCs in a two weeks window. Especially considering the new purchases were limited to FCs only during those two weeks.

Ending up with 16 fc houses in the same ward hasn’t happened in a single evening despite what you want to believe.

Personally, I think you're missing the main point as to what people are angry with. It has less to do with (for some people) about the means in which you acquired said plots and more or less why you feel or think that you even need 16 FC houses to begin with. I mean, if you want to be chained and bogged down to the game on multiple characters and service accounts, that's on you. 3-5+ homes would seem like a chore to me, and 16+ is like a second full-time job.

Owning 16 FC houses doesn't make you look any smarter or superior than the average player, it just makes some of us that own a FC house and personal home tilt our heads in confusion like "....why do that to yourself...?" kind of thing.

/shrugs

[Abelfei]

Personally, I think you're missing the main point as to what people are angry with. It has less to do with (for some people) about the means in which you acquired said plots and more or less why you feel or think that you even need 16 FC houses to begin with. I mean, if you want to be chained and bogged down to the game on multiple characters and service accounts, that's on you. 3-5+ homes would seem like a chore to me, and 16+ is like a second full-time job.

Owning 16 FC houses doesn't make you look any smarter or superior than the average player, it just makes some of us that own a FC house and personal home tilt our heads in confusion like "....why do that to yourself...?" kind of thing.

/shrugs

Managing a dozen FC’s is easy. You make it seem impossible but it’s very very easy. It’s just like retainers really in essence of airships and subs. If people spent the energy they do with anger and jealousy towards getting a house this would be a moot point. It’s sooooooo easy to get a house. Just click and buy. They are there. Check auto demo timers hourly: I just saw a mansion pop the other day. Tons of mediums pop weekly. It’s more of a reflection on people’s lack of effort rather than pointing at someone as a scapegoat. To everyone complaining about housing I ask you this question : how bad do you actually want a house? More people actually like complaining about not having one than they care about what it takes to get one. Anyone I know that truly wants a house has one. Square isn’t going to gift you one.

[Dustytome]

It’s sooooooo easy to get a house. Just click and buy. .

Unless the rng timer is active.

[Abelfei]

Unless the rng timer is active.

It is widely known that if you want a house as a first time house buyer, the best way is to find any small house that you can buy that the random timer has wore off of, henceforth enabling you to relocate whenever, bypassing the rng timer. This has been discussed ad nauseum on these forums, Reddit, housing Facebook groups etc. Cheap way to get any open house, and is currently known as best practice.

[Sigma-Astra]

Managing a dozen FC’s is easy. You make it seem impossible but it’s very very easy. It’s just like retainers really in essence of airships and subs. If people spent the energy they do with anger and jealousy towards getting a house this would be a moot point. It’s sooooooo easy to get a house. Just click and buy. They are there. Check auto demo timers hourly: I just saw a mansion pop the other day. Tons of mediums pop weekly. It’s more of a reflection on people’s lack of effort rather than pointing at someone as a scapegoat. To everyone complaining about housing I ask you this question : how bad do you actually want a house? More people actually like complaining about not having one than they care about what it takes to get one. Anyone I know that truly wants a house has one. Square isn’t going to gift you one.

Well, not to argue semantics, but I'm going to argue semantics here. 16 is not "a dozen FC's", that would be 12. I never said it was impossible, not once, I just said that it would almost feel like a full-time job if you have 16 or more FC's to manage scattered between three different service accounts. Which I'm going to just do a basic estimate here, is like wasting 18 hours of your day away simply by just going through your housing alone for the airships and subs, etc. If I'm going to waste 18 hours of my day, well, I'd rather waste at least 7-8 getting paid with a full-time job instead of turning my MMO into something that only provides me with virtual money as a full-time job.

First off, you don't need to lecture me about "more people actually like complaining about not having one than they care about what it takes to get one". Let me just call out that part and how I think it's a bit of naivety to assume that everyone complaining that the housing structure is garbage and the people taking advantage of the loopholes are greedy people are simply people that don't have a house and are therefore jealous. You would be wrong and farther from the truth. I am part of a FC with a large house and I own a private, small in the 1st ward of Shirogane while micromanaging a private, small in the 1st Ward, Goblet for my fiance when he can't be around sometimes. How bad did I actually want that house in Shirogane? Well, certainly enough to force myself awake til 7am when the servers reopened on the very first release day of Shirogane housing, that's how bad. And I STILL had to throw caution towards the wind with the server queues and whether or not that they would favor me and let me log in to grab the spot that I had wanted before someone else.

This isn't about someone getting a house that someone else wanted. This isn't about a SINGLE home whatsoever, this is about ONE player taking advantage of the loopholes within the rules, because it's there, because they can do it, and because they will without any kind of disregard that their actions prohibit other people from enjoying a part of the game that they want to enjoy also and have the funds to do so. This is about one, single person owning up multiple houses to fuel their own flawed greed because that's all airships do, they make money. That's it. And, that is the only reason why someone needs 20+ airships is for their lucrative properties and the person's excessive desire to be rich, and by golly, they will step on as many people to get there. That's what this is about.

When personal greed fuels you as a player to step on and spite others and then wave it in their faces with the "got mine, screw you plebs" sort of mentality, that's not entirely SE's fault, and granted SE shares a decent portion of the blame, however, they're also expecting their players to play fairly and act accordingly and courteous to other players above all while playing the game. No player by themselves needs 16+ FC houses no more than a player needs to run the Vault with a newbie healer on release day.

Let me stress at the end, "Just because it's there and that you can buy it, doesn't mean that you absolutely need it".

I could afford another private small if I really wanted to and get another service account for it...then transfer the gil in doing so, could doesn't mean that I should. Big difference in morals here.