[Suggestion] PLD Requiescat

[Satarn]

I do sometimes think it could use a couple of defensive tweaks. I mean by comparison to war and i think dark. Sentinel has bloody massive cool down. So does bullwark. Hell shake it off even puts divine veil to shame.

PLD cds are so much longer because of the block mechanic. You have a pretty high chance to proc a completely free, 27% all-damage type reduction which covers quite a bit of fluff. The 40% from Bullwark is applied on top of that already existing chance, making it very potent. For tank busters you practically always have Sheltron to combine with your other cds, so you never really have to stack things like Sentinel+Rampart, akin to what WARs do.

Shake it Off isn't really more powerful than Veil as the shield is based off target's hp, not caster's, making the base, no cd sacrifice shield not nearly as strong. Coincidentally, two out of three of the cds you can sacrifice have same recast as Veil. Not to say it's a weaker ability overall, but I think they're pretty balanced with each other.

That said I wouldn't actually mind PLD getting an AoE spell with same potency as Total Eclipse to make it's aoe a bit more interesting and double down on that hybrid-caster identity. In 5.0 that is.

[Kurando]

The only thing at the moment that PLD could do with adjusting is replacing the extra effect Rampart has when using Intervention, to another PLD cooldown that isn't cross role. I say this because SCH also suffers from a similar issue in that Deployment Tactics benefits from Eye for an Eye, yet it is cross role and doesn't have the trait that reduced the cooldown previously in HW. Just not a fan of locking enhanced effects of job skills behind cross role ones you know.

[SiriusSaltstice]

I do sometimes think it could use a couple of defensive tweaks. I mean by comparison to war and i think dark. Sentinel has bloody massive cool down. So does bullwark. Hell shake it off even puts divine veil to shame.

This. Its great the way it is, but you could tweak its kit to make it better. Sentinel is one, then theres bulwark, which has no reason to be 3 minutes for essentially a fluff damage cooldown. It's like the recent DRK changes where they weren't full on buffs, but changes that make the job feel better.

[Lambdafish]

But requiescat is really good at what it does, it is part of the core raid rotation. Even then, jobs should NEVER be designed around dungeon content, as they are never played to their full potential there.

PLD has total eclipse and flash for AOE, with FoF buffing the damage of total eclipse. That is more than enough.

I do sometimes think it could use a couple of defensive tweaks. I mean by comparison to war and i think dark. Sentinel has bloody massive cool down. So does bullwark. Hell shake it off even puts divine veil to shame.

Sheltron. We don't need anything else.

[Sylvain]

I find reqiescat to be the worst SB skill
Basically a dumbed down Inner Release.
While they serve the same function (burst of dps) and do it in the same manner. By spamming the big number skill

one is somewhat pleasant because you see those big numbers while the other one turns you into a battle mage spamming that weird holy cross skill.

Holy spirit spam is littéral l'y the number one reason I don't touch this job. It's dull and not even satisfying.

I'd rather have an aoe holy spirit or something instead.

[Cabalabob]

While I like the concept of requiescat, I don’t much like the implementation. The 80% mp requirement basically means you can rarely spend mp outside of requiescat or you likely won’t have enough mp when it comes off CD. The duration makes it so tight, the slightest lag or movement and you’re gonna miss a Holy Spirit or clemency under it. And as the topic says, not much use in AoE.

I’d like to see the 80% mp requirement gone so we can use it whenever it’s ready and for it to be charge based like aetherflow rather than duration based. I think it would be a more interesting dynamic this way as you could weave it in whenever it’s ready without a duration or mp requirement and you’d be free to cast your spells even outside of requiescat.

This way, if you don’t have mp because you’ve been casting, you could use requiescat anyway and it would give 5 charges to spend on Holy Spirit or clemency whenever you have the mp to use them.

I also like the idea of it effecting flash, damage being an obvious option but even just something like adding a vun up debuff or an AoE stun would be interesting.

[Lambdafish]

I’d like to see the 80% mp requirement gone so we can use it whenever it’s ready and for it to be charge based like aetherflow rather than duration based. I think it would be a more interesting dynamic this way as you could weave it in whenever it’s ready without a duration or mp requirement and you’d be free to cast your spells even outside of requiescat.

While I don't mind a rework of how the skill is implemented, if you are struggling with the 80% requirement then you are using it wrong. The idea is to be at full MP and spam holy spirit until your MP is drained (there should be just enough time on the cooldown to do this). So you need to figure out in a fight when the best time to unleash your burst is. Then you use FoF combo which will refresh your MP (you should be using riot blade on every pass), and keep using TP combos until requiescat is off cooldown, at which point you should almost definitely be at full MP if you have been careful with it, and if not just wait until you are (again, riot blade) before you burst.

It's not dissimilar to Fell cleave spam really, and it gives PLD a reason to drain its MP pool that it otherwise would not be using (seriously, other than the occasional flash and the very rare clemency, MP is not used on PLD).

[Cabalabob]

While I don't mind a rework of how the skill is implemented, if you are struggling with the 80% requirement then you are using it wrong. The idea is to be at full MP and spam holy spirit until your MP is drained (there should be just enough time on the cooldown to do this). So you need to figure out in a fight when the best time to unleash your burst is. Then you use FoF combo which will refresh your MP (you should be using riot blade on every pass), and keep using TP combos until requiescat is off cooldown, at which point you should almost definitely be at full MP if you have been careful with it, and if not just wait until you are (again, riot blade) before you burst.

It's not dissimilar to Fell cleave spam really, and it gives PLD a reason to drain its MP pool that it otherwise would not be using (seriously, other than the occasional flash and the very rare clemency, MP is not used on PLD).

That’s the thing though, you don’t use mp outside of requiescat because if you use mp outside of requiescat you won’t have enough mp for requiescat.

While the PLD rotation is all well and good when things are going smoothly, you drain mp in requiescat then rebuild it almost exactly as FoF ends and requiescat is ready again. The second something goes wrong or mechanics get in the way you’re not gonna build mp in time (unless you proc some sheltrons or get refresh or something) and have to sit on it until you do. If you have to change stance, if you have to aggro combo, if you have to flash something, if you have to clemency someone, if you have to distance yourself from the enemy, that’s all it takes to throw off your rotation and set back your requiescat use.

If it didn’t have the mp requirement and duration you could use it when it’s ready and spend it when you’re ready. It would allow PLD to be more fluid with its mp use, you wouldn’t have these situations where you’re saying to yourself “I COULD Holy Spirit the mob out of melee range right now... but I won’t cause requiescat”, “I COULD clemency myself right now during this heavy damage mechanic... but I won’t cause requiescat”.