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    Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS



    These kinds of advertisements occur daily and SquareEnix doesn't appear to have the guts to actually enforce their own rules. There isn't even an easy way to report this kind of stuff. May as well advertise that you're selling runs in the forums, since it's not against the rules, apparently.

    DAY 2.



    DAY 3



    Even more blatant than before. SquareEnix still doesn't care. May as well have gil sellers in party finder
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    Last edited by Rubiss; 06-26-2018 at 09:02 PM.

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    Someone else spending money to let a person play the game for them so they can get a shiny weapon that they didn't earn has no effect on me or anyone else. If it makes them happy then let it be. I don't understand why this matters to people. Would it be okay if it was free? Is it just because it's against ToS? No there is definitely a hint of something else... Idk it's whatever.

    That's also why SE prolly doesn't really enforce it hard, since it doesn't really effect anyone negatively unlike gil bots and the economy.
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    It cheapens the entire act of getting the clear and the item. It's done through means not supported in game and is against the ToS. Complacency solves nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    It cheapens the entire act of getting the clear and the item. It's done through means not supported in game and is against the ToS. Complacency solves nothing.
    What's there to solve? Your ego is bruised because someone has the same shiny toys?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mavrias View Post
    What's there to solve? Your ego is bruised because someone has the same shiny toys?
    The problem of RMT? Selling clears of content for real money? You know, that thing that is explicitly stated in the Terms of Service as illegal, that everyone with a service account agreed upon before installing the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubiss View Post
    The problem of RMT? Selling clears of content for real money? You know, that thing that is explicitly stated in the Terms of Service as illegal, that everyone with a service account agreed upon before installing the game?
    An excellent point this would be if I didnt see people also vying for people who sell clears for gil to be banned as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    Someone else spending money to let a person play the game for them so they can get a shiny weapon that they didn't earn has no effect on me or anyone else. If it makes them happy then let it be. I don't understand why this matters to people. Would it be okay if it was free? Is it just because it's against ToS? No there is definitely a hint of something else... Idk it's whatever.

    That's also why SE prolly doesn't really enforce it hard, since it doesn't really effect anyone negatively unlike gil bots and the economy.
    Well its double against the ToS. Its RMT and account sharing. So if they care about their rules they should punish such people, otherwise why punish bots that sell gil for real money?

    It also changes the data that SE collects about the mode and it takes any reason away for this mode to stay synch all the time. (Also if one is fine with it, why not let SE sell the weapons directly in the shop or make the mode unsynch an expansion later?)

    (And if you PVP for the top 100 rewards it does affect you because some of them are also selling PVP ranks which does hurt other people)
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    Last edited by Alleo; 06-25-2018 at 09:15 PM.
    Letter from the Producer LIVE Part IX Q&A Summary (10/30/2013)
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    A: In older MMOs, such as Ultima Online, there was a house maintenance fee you had to pay weekly, but in FFXIV: ARR we decided against this system. Similarly, these older MMOs also had a system where your house would break down if you didn’t log in after a while in order to have you continue your subscription, but this is a thing of the past and we won't have any system like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RLofOBFL View Post
    Someone else spending money to let a person play the game for them so they can get a shiny weapon that they didn't earn has no effect on me or anyone else. If it makes them happy then let it be. I don't understand why this matters to people. Would it be okay if it was free? Is it just because it's against ToS? No there is definitely a hint of something else... Idk it's whatever.

    That's also why SE prolly doesn't really enforce it hard, since it doesn't really effect anyone negatively unlike gil bots and the economy.
    Why would I want to put in the effort for content if I could just pay my way through it and nobody knows?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jijifli View Post
    Why would I want to put in the effort for content if I could just pay my way through it and nobody knows?
    Because you enjoy playing the content and not only having the shiny?

    I dont know about you, but I mainly play this game - and any other game - for the fun I get from playing it, not to earn trophies... people who are buying clears like that apparently play for different reasons, I guess, but yeah...
    Even if there were cheap lowlevel-glamour-versions of all raid-gear, I'd still put in the effort to clear and play that content myself, because thats my mainsource of fun - not the shiny in my inventory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    Because you enjoy playing the content and not only having the shiny?
    I don't even want the shiny, it looks too opposite for BLM.

    I'dj ust pay the $1200 to tell people I cleared it and I'm better than them. Already had that before.
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