I keep running into Astro running Shields in Farm PTs as a SCH. (Why?)

[PerrinTaveren]

Well some new AST's may not know that because i have seen it before. But most of the time, they are being the ultimate Eorzean cock. I had encountered once an AST like this when i was farming Emanation, and i just didn't use any shields. If we wipe, not my problem. If he/she wants to work double, not my problem. If he/she wants to be a chocochick, i let them be unless party agrees to kick them. Because i am tired of wasting my breath towards people like that. I either leave if it doesn't work out, or ask party to kick the player.

Other than people who are not English and cannot understand some elements in the game like this (it may easily be missed and no one is perfect, not knowing isn't a sin), i just prefer to stay away from these people. I can farm stuff with another group or another day unless party doesn't understand what's wrong etc.

[Ilyrian]

I've stopped asking ASTs to switch now. True, I'm on WHM so it's not as bad as SCH have it but it still grates. I can literally feel the overheals ticking away.
But, there are hills to die on and the DF is certainly not one of them.

[Sylvain]

I have the opposite problem, I like to go diurnal when I'm with a WHM on easy content simply because it's more heal per cast and I have access to another regen.

But even if the boss does nothing that could make a shield remotely useful people still ask me to go nocturnal because '' shields''

[Elamys]

I have the opposite problem, I like to go diurnal when I'm with a WHM on easy content simply because it's more heal per cast and I have access to another regen.

But even if the boss does nothing that could make a shield remotely useful people still ask me to go nocturnal because '' shields''

Preventing damage is still strictly better than healing up the damage later, so you should be going Nocturnal with a WHM even if the shields "don't seem very useful".

[Mirakumi]

Just ran into another AST in Shinryu ex who didn't understand why I kept asking him to switch out of nocturnal. Even some of my PT members were like so whats the problem. I feel like people just want to watch the world burn. Man.

[PerrinTaveren]

I had fun last night. I am doing Shinryu NM because of TT card, so i ran like 20 times already yesterday (yeah RNG hates me).

So in my last run last night, i was with an astro, who didn't use any sects at the beginning of the fight. When it was add time, he popped nocturnal sect ofc :3

I said ''please don't overwrite my shields'' (i had way better ilvl) but ofc he didn't listen. We wiped afterwards i don't remember why.

I said ''please go into diurnal sect''. He typed this: ''I heal tank, you dps. or i have no mana okay?'' I was like DUDE WTH. He continued: ''i can't heal everything you know you heal too''.

I never knew i was the healer guys <3 he opened my eyes omg. Anyway, all he did was spam aspected helios for shields ALL THE FIGHT. He didn't even cast a cure or somekind, he just used shields over and over and dps kept dying, i kept raising people and healing ofc because he had no mana all the time, he didn't use mana regen at all. He didn't use any of his cards too ofc. Then after we clear, because he healed so well, he goes ''gg everyone''.

I was really confused I thought i had seen the worst healer in game till last night. He was lv70 and idk how he got there with that ability

Yeah well, good luck topping this i guess

p.s. i didn't get any comm either, because probably i bitched about it, i wouldn't be surprised if they gave comms to astro lol.

[vVAstrAVv]

AHonestly its probably just misinformation

Aspected benefic is decent pot and then you see that "woah 250%" and figure its better than schs shields which are only as much as they heal for ignoring the crit bonus

Nocturnal also boosts heals more than diurnal which may contribute

My advice would just be to let them shield
Asp benefic is insta cast unlike adlo
And with indom and emergency succor sch has TREMEMDOUS HEALS
If theyre so insecure as to go out of their way to do half of what you can let them do it

I cant speak for savage raids
But even in ridorana i can indom the party back to like 90% from any raid wides
A normal adlo or eos regen will top them off from that if i want
You have more than just shields after all
Show it off and steal all the comms lol
Asts aren't strong enough heal wise to stop you
Perhaps youll make them realize theyre gimping themselves by neglecting theyre versatility

[Kurando]

My advice would just be to let them shield
Asp benefic is insta cast unlike adlo
And with indom and emergency succor sch has TREMEMDOUS HEALS
If theyre so insecure as to go out of their way to do half of what you can let them do it

You realise that by letting the AST go Nocturnal you are literally losing a portion of your kit as a SCH? I mean it's one thing to have your Aether actions, but Shields and Deployment Tactics are what make SCH what it is. It's really better to encourage the AST to go Diurnal at all times when a SCH is present, but of course no one can force them.

[gumas]

for me AST is out of three healer who really need good awareness of your surrounding and party. which card to chose, which healing spell, which card for who, which utility, there is so much we can do as AST.

its also the most jarring class if it handled by bad / below average player. unlike WHM or SCH, the contrast for AST between good and bad player is very obvious.

- using same stance (both AST same stance, same regen stance with WHM, etc)
- bad card choice (ewer to blm/drk <-- seen this a lot)
- stingy with card (keep card on hand and only use it on boss)

combine with the typical healer mistake (spam aoe nonstop, spam cure 2 over and over instead of 1) i say yeah, if you see bad AST, they are indeed bad.

[vVAstrAVv]

@kurando
Its just not worth convincing every pick up co healer
If its not ex or savage youll be fine by just adapting and being better than them