Why is Quietus so weak?

[Hierro]

For MT out of tank stance it's fine though since you can TBN to get Blood, but OT isn't spamming it.

You can also TBN whoever's MTing. Is there a reason not to? But anyways, yes, you'll be using abyssal drain, but that's what we wanted to do anyways. The whole point is that quietus is the medium that let's us get there, but isn't even a bad means. Add phases in general do not last long. You can get at least 4 quietus off in that time, easily, and without relying on BP.

[SummerScorcher]

Are you actively trying to screw over levelling Gladiator/Paladins/Paladins in levelling roulette, or do you people just post how trash flash is without even stopping to think about the order your skills are gained?

If they were to go through with a decision like this, I'm sure they would have Total Eclipse be gained at lv6 instead of Flash, and have that new magic damage AoE somewhere between 60-80.

[Kabooa]

Quietus is like the only part of the new abilities for Dark Knight that feels good to use.

[Lyth]

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Yep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)

Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course.

[Hierro]

Yep, it's definitely a conspiracy. (Or, just assign whatever ends up being the main AoE enmity action to level 6.)

Here's the previous discussion on the subject:
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I personally don't see why PLD can't have both an enmity AoE that does damage as well as a non-enmity dps AoE, like both of the other tanks. I feel like it's an artificial penalty. Unless you're campaigning for Overpower to do no damage as well, of course.

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

[Saeno]

Yeaaaaah buddy, let's make SB's most overpowered tank EVEN MORE OVERPOWERED! AoE was perhaps the only thing holding them back from ABSOLUTE PERFECTION! No, we can't have PLD settle for anything less!

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff, can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks, has stances locked to the GCD and deals with the longest tank invul of all tanks on top of their AoE. If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

[Hierro]

I mean. PLD is still missing slashing debuff

irrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or another

can't pull bosses as effectively as the other tanks

oh, now you agree with me?

has stances locked to the GCD

Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*

the longest tank invul of all tanks

You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?

If we're talking strictly weakness in comparison to the job's strengths, PLD is very strong but it has clear weaknesses. Gaining AoE that is similar and as effective as the other tanks would not break PLD at all.

BULL!

[FeliAiko]

Are you actively trying to screw over levelling Gladiator/Paladins/Paladins in levelling roulette, or do you people just post how trash flash is without even stopping to think about the order your skills are gained?

You could make the suggested Flash idea an upgraded trait (like how IR is an upgrade of Zerk now), so it retains its old function at lower levels (enmity) and gets the damage trait later on.

[Otorinth]

'Sure wish I had this "weak" Quietus as a Paladin.

[Saeno]

irrelevant since it's practically always available from one class or another

no, it's very relevant because of out all of the jobs, WAR is the only one that doesnt lose DPS when applying or maintaining it. NIN loses an aeolean every third combo due to needing to reapply slashing and SAM does its opener without slashing for quite a while.

oh, now you agree with me?

In what way?

Don't have to touch the GCD if you start in Sword Oath *taps temple*

And you also have awful aggro as a result. Resulting in you doing excessive enmity combos and losing DPS from potency and loss of MP gain.

You mean the undisputed STRONGEST invul of all tanks?

Holmgang blows the other tank invuls out of the water in any content that matters. This is not up for debate. Holmgang also makes WAR's mitigation kit way stronger thanks to it allowing the WAR to constantly have some form of mitigation while Holmgang covers any hard hitting damage every 3 minutes.

BULL!

Do you want to know what's bull? 5x decimates guaranteeing a crit/direct hit. If you seriously think PLD would be broken with more Aoe but WAR is fine with Inner release decimates then I think you need to take another look at the numbers between a PLD and WAR in aoe situations.