Housing relocation is crap!

[Jojoya]

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Smaller servers can and do have this problem. It's how I lost my first house when I had to take an unexpected break prior to Stormblood's release. Where there had been a couple of dozen houses available when I stopped playing, there was nothing when I got back. Even when Shirogane was later added, I still couldn't get another house even though I was looking at Goblet since that's where my first house had been and where I knew my chances were best.

The only reason it's not a problem right now is because of the 4.2 ward addition. That was an additional 2880 houses on each world. Considering Coeurl is down to about 600 available houses right now (that could be off, I haven't in a few weeks), that's still over 2200 players and FCs that wouldn't haven't housing if the new wards hadn't been added.

Now imagine what will happen when the new expansion is released and there's a swarm of returning players not to mention new players. What's currently available will disappear all over again and once more there will be players looking for housing that can't get it.

Auto-demo is needed as long as housing is a limited resource. No limited resource should ever be controlled by people who have quit playing when it could be going to those who are actively playing.

You know when you buy that a house is something you're only allowed if you maintain an active sub. Don't buy it if you're not certain you're going to maintain your sub. Get an apartment instead. You can't lose an apartment if you stop playing for a while.

No game is ever able to meet all the demands of all their players. You're living in a dreamworld if you think game developers can do it. For all that can be accomplished with technology, there are still limitations and still resources to be considered. By all means make suggestions for things you think will improve the game experience but in the long run you need to accept the game as what the dev team provides. If you feel the game isn't living up to your expectations when it could, find a different game to play.

[Cylla]

I think your all missing the point I'm making.
Just because I brought up losing my house doesn't mean I'm butt hurt over it. I moved servers, got another one. I could rarely give a flying f*ck. I didn't come here crying like the OP over the ordeal. I'm pointing out the fact that, it shouldn't be happening at all. Housing system is bad.

Nobody here has yet answered my question of: What other MMO take content away from it player base?

No, we're all focused on the, "Oh she lost her house, she's crying about it."

You know what, this is why I gave up fighting for fairness and a better system that everyone could have if they wanted it.
If you people would read, my first post to the OP was a lot like everyone else who replied with the, "To bad, so sad".
"Accept it or don't. This is how the system works." It doesn't mean that I agree with the way it handled or that the system is perfect as most of you like to rave that it is (lol).
I could give two damns about it. I have a house. May as well be like everyone else here.
"I have it. I don't give a damn if you don't or lost it!"

tl;dr
Don't give a flying f*uck about losing my house seeing as I have one again.
Housing system is bad no matter how you try to defend it.
Nobody answers the actual question
To much stupid from Nephthys to deal with.

I'm done with this.

Edit - @Jojoya - You said no game is able to meet the demands of it player base, I'm not even talking about demands. However, here something for you to chew on.
To my knowledge, and just for I.E - AION has a housing system, it supports all it player base. Wildstar, while never played it, I do believe support all it player base. World of Warcraft, in all areas can support it player base. This is just to name a few, so please, list off the one's that can't support it player base in content and feel the need to take away that content from you if you aren't sub to their game.

So what SE excuse? Oh right, it running on what seems like at least 10+ year old servers...

Oh yes, and let use the "find a different game to play if this doesn't meet up to your expectations." Heavens forbid that I enjoy this game and would like to see it get better. Yeah totally, guess I'll just go to a new game.. *rolls eyes*

But whatever, don't care anymore o/

[Claviusnex]

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Which is why I think the demolition timer should be disabled as long a player is subscribed. The whole purpose of the subscription is to have access to server resources. As long as I'm paying it shouldn't matter to SE whether I login or not. Once a subscription expires then it is reasonable for a timer to start. I'd even be willing to shorten the timer interval to prevent people from gaming subscriptions just to reset the counter.

[NephthysVasudan]

Emoraging/

If you didn't give a flying frak...you'd not have mentioned it in the first place.
And your question is irrelevant because you knew what you where walking into when you got your house in the first place.

As for the demo timer being removed while subscribed? I disagree.

Too many people buy a house and hold them hostage...its not fair to anyone else who want a house..especially on crowded servers such as balmung.

[Claviusnex]

Too many people buy a house and hold them hostage...its not fair to anyone else who want a house..especially on crowded servers such as balmung.

Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

[Cylla]

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Finally someone talking a bit of sense. This I could get behind. Still just a band-aid fix but one that reasonable for those who are still paying their subscription but unable to login. If SE getting feed money, they shouldn't care if you step foot into your house or not. Another idea would've been giving personal housing the same treatment as FC's where in if someone else is sharing the house, they can reset the timer. I had someone sharing my large with me, but since personal housing doesn't get the same right, all he could do was watch the timer go down and take everything out of the house before the demo happened.

However, this will only still lead to problems and people whining that it unfair. Though suppose it doesn't matter at this point. Anything SE does is going to be unfair to a handful of the player base while "perfect" to those who have what they want and don't care about anyone else. Think at this point we've all come to accept that SE isn't going to better the housing system nor make it freely available to everyone who wants one.

[NephthysVasudan]

Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

If you care so much...then you can be bothered to spend 5 mins to sign in...walk into your house..and log off.
Problem solved.

Once every 45 days is not going to kill anyone.
You people are utterly amazing with your utter selfishness.

For the issues that are present...the system is still better off than it was before.

[Ryaz]

In order for SE to fully fix housing, it would need a complete overhaul. They'd have to make everything instanced (though that would remove some things like being able to show off your yard to your neighbors).

Pretty much everyone agrees the housing system is bad. There's been multiple threads on it over the years so we're just beating a dead horse at this point.

They've made improvements, though. There are well over 100 houses open on my server, including mediums and occasionally a mansion. It has gotten much better.

The reason why relocation is allowed earlier is because you're giving up a plot to get a plot. That costs even more money because you're only getting 30% of the lowest price back. So you basically paid extra just to get a house you wanted. By the time I relocate to a mansion, I will have spent around 77 million gil just to get a 50 million gil house.

The system isn't perfect. Heck, its not even really good. But its as fair as they can make it right now.

At least we have housing in this game. 10+ years later WoW stil has jack.

[Sotaris]

Hold them hostage? That's nothing more than a euphemism for someone not doing what others like with their house. If someone buys a house it is nobodies business what they do with it. As for the crowded servers nothing is going to fix that other than SE providing a housing system that can support all of the players that currently and in the future want to own a home. Instead of biting the bullet SE just sits back and watches the players fight among themselves over what band-aid might give one disgruntled player a house, buying more time for SE to ignore the issue.

Neph have a point though, housing is limited. Auto demolition serves a purpose, if you leave the game for more than 45 days you lose it. It's fair game.

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Damn someone is salty.

What other MMO take content away from it player base?

Can't say, havn't played other MMO since FF11 and took away inventory if you didn't play longer.

But i ask you AGAIN, how is it fair to rest of the player base that want house if you (in theory) bought a large or medium (since they are more in demand) and quit the game or were gone for a long period of time? It's not.

I never claimed housing is without it flaws but it much better than it was before. Were you even around for that?

[MaloraYuki]

Most people I know, including myself started out in a house we didn’t like. However, we were happy to have the house since it was something. When relocation was added we finally got the chance to get the houses we actually wanted or in the area we actually wanted, even then some still had to settle for something different. Most people don’t start out getting exactly what they want they just take opportunities as they come. This post honestly makes you and your friend sound greedy like you think you deserve something even tho everyone else has played by the system. You had the same opportunity the other person had, you chose not to do it. The person who relocated still spent gil on the house they had, they didn’t get to relocate for free.