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  1. #1
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Normally I'd be fine with it only if there was an option to retain its original difficulty, but I honestly don't expect that XIV would be capable of that over the course of class changes, many of which take no issue in breaking job balance over earlier levels. As such I've given up on caring one way or the other.
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    Ceridwenae's Avatar
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    Kheeziah Toastie
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    Zodiark
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Being a relative noob*, I don't know what's nerfed and what's not. All of it is difficult the first time or so out; it's hard to have a basis for comparison when you just receive it as it is now. I'm still learning what it is I'm supposed to do, and am trying to have fun too. If you think things are easy, I agree with other sentiments here: you got better. Like, lots better. So did your gear. I don't have your gear, your knowledge, or your time spent, so don't have quite the same experience as you - I mean, I don't even know what some of you are actually talking about. I have a whole load of stuff still to catch up on (you may have experienced content in more of a drip-drip fashion, so have had much more time), so frankly, since it'd likely be rather overwhelming otherwise, a nerf here or there to make things bearable isn't so bad.

    That said, that road to 60 thing is ridiculous: any alt I make gets so overlevelled for content it's silly.

    *To clarify: I made the account/main char a few years back, IIRC. I played for a week, got overwhelmed/anxiety and returned to GW2, which I'd played since headstart, and only quit that in February this year, after a hospital stint gave me some thinking to do. Hubby suggested doing this game again, so I did that, and have stayed, more or less, since. Still so much to do!
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    Last edited by Ceridwenae; 07-01-2018 at 07:13 AM.

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    Kazrah's Avatar
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Moogle
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    Paladin Lv 60
    I prefer the route WoW took when it comes to nerfing older content of removing the bigger rewards like titles after the nerf. Something for maintaining that prestige factor that comes with those rewards (and it shuts up the whiny tryhards too).
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    Shurrikhan's Avatar
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    Tani Shirai
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    Cactuar
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    I prefer the route WoW took when it comes to nerfing older content of removing the bigger rewards like titles after the nerf. Something for maintaining that prestige factor that comes with those rewards (and it shuts up the whiny tryhards too).
    I'd honestly prefer they were just two variants of the same: whilst relevant (e.g. gold border on linked/viewed achievement), or not (plain border). The collection (multiple achieves required) titles won't care what type sources them. The only requirement to collect some form of the title should be that it's synced. That way you at least have people doing that content even after it's relevant.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Sage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    I prefer the route WoW took when it comes to nerfing older content of removing the bigger rewards like titles after the nerf. Something for maintaining that prestige factor that comes with those rewards (and it shuts up the whiny tryhards too).
    Or they could make it to where titles/mounts/shinies are only earned if you sync the content. For me it’s whatever; if I earned my clears synced, someone getting them via unsynced/undersized doesn’t devalue my own achievement of getting them “the so-called right way”.
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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    마지막 밤 기억하길

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    Limecat's Avatar
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    Limecat Indignatio
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    Hyperion
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Ah, that good old airship fight. When I got my clear I went RNG. Got Ultima down to about half HP, then I nailed it with Sidewinder -> Barrage attack -> Sidewinder -> wing -> Sidewinder -> EES. Took out most of its remaining health, and then I ran off into a far corner, slapped it with a pump, and told the pt to ignore my HP/death and focus on winning since the tank wasn't getting hate back after that. XD
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Sage Lv 90
    I'm all for it after a bit of time.

    The people who wanted to do it when it was hard can, and those who want to be able to see the content can also see it when it's easier.

    Just because one person likes everything to be very challenging doesn't mean everyone does.

    That's what the min ilvl button is for.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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    Noshpan's Avatar
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    Ganth Fyrion
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    Leviathan
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    I don't mind if old content gets nerfed. It's old content. And, tbh, there's still a slight over-poweredness with syncing while wearing current gear. What I like to do now, as I did in WoW, is seeing what old stuff I can solo.

    I will say, however, that neither Steps of Faith & Shinryu needed nerfing. The issues with those were 100% caused by players and their lack of willingness to cooperate.
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    I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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    Dante Haiwindo
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    Ultros
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    I'm both...for and against it.

    There's a point where it's just redundant to have it where it was originally, but then...having gone through 90% of the content where it wasn't nerfed and hearing people who come in now go "oh! that wasn't so bad", it makes me go "...right, they nerfed it."

    I recall spending weeks on end just throwing myself into PF to clear Steps of Faith and when I finally did...there was a sense of Pride (even when a week later there was the notice that they were Nerfing it) that I'd cleared it. now, I end up there because of Trials or Mentor Roulette and...when we beat it at 50%, I can Tell it's been changed.

    When I went into WoD for the first time in months, it seemed insanely easy. A friend in the run was running a parser and compared a few things and went "...they halved Cloud's HP" and we all sat there. We thought it was easier, but that much easier truly was an eye opener. They've downed the damage on a lot of things in CT, I mean, now, with a semi-competent Healer that knows how to AOE Heal, you can survive through 5 Platinals getting to the dragon; make it through Behemoth safely and only worry about Meteor and the same with Phlegethon.

    Factor in that they've said that the ilvl Synch is a bit broken and you've got a lot of smaller issues.

    Shinryuu getting nerfed was a bit of a blinking point, because things like Bismark and Ravana didn't get nerfed for a long while in HW (..3.4...maybe? I don't recall, to be honest).

    They simply seem to be hitting things with a nerf button faster this expansion and with Jump Potions and Story Potions, I don't think that's a good Idea. Clearing Content is good, but knowing the class that you're playing? that's better. That makes you less of "that person" in the dungeon that everyone looks at and goes "...what are they doing?" or that Level 70 that's got their First Time in...let's say Cutter's Cry. that's awkward, for everyone.

    Overall, I think that it's both good and bad, good from a standpoint of making new players happy, bad from the Older Player's eyes because we poured so much of ourselves into clearing it that the new players don't have to.
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    Last edited by Saraphin; 07-02-2018 at 05:10 AM.

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    X'lantaa Lizhashen
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    Moogle
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Indifferent. I won't become mad just because other people now can do it easily. What's the point on think that?
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