Sexual harassment

[QT_Melon]

What else can we do short from living with the fact that their are people in this world that wish to harm others? All we can do is live our lives and understand everything we do comes with risk factors and all we can do is try to mitigate those factors to try and prevent them, and if something were to happen hopefully seek the help needed to resolve the issue. I am more so saying people should live being aware of the fear but not controlled by it. If that makes sense.

Yeah, the short term isn't working. Hasn't been working for decades now. It just bred a culture that women should fear men. Sorry if you know I'd like it stopped where we stop looking at men as possible rapists. As I said before a lot of this advice so after the fact it's ridiculous. You tell pregnant women "well don't have sex" Instead of looking to see what avenues to look at for the future of a possible child?

So you'll excuse my general frustration on rhetoric that does nothing when the damage is done, and keep asking people to talk about how we can change what to do about it. "Well it's hard, so I'm gonna go back on my *insert hindsight* excuse" Then try to claim "hey you're trying to shut down my speech" No, I'm asking you to think outside the box for a bit and talk about solutions going forward instead of dwelling on the past. Is it hard. OF COURSE but I'd like to believe you're an intelligent enough person to engage in this.

[Rogatum]

Yeah, the short term isn't working. Hasn't been working for decades now. It just bred a culture that women should fear men. Sorry if you know I'd like it stopped where we stop looking at men as possible rapists. As I said before a lot of this advice so after the fact it's ridiculous. You tell pregnant women "well don't have sex" Instead of looking to see what avenues to look at for the future of a possible child?

So you'll excuse my general frustration on rhetoric that does nothing when the damage is done, and keep asking people to talk about how we can change what to do about it. "Well it's hard, so I'm gonna go back on my *insert hindsight* excuse" Then try to claim "hey you're trying to shut down my speech" No, I'm asking you to think outside the box for a bit and talk about solutions going forward instead of dwelling on the past. Is it hard. OF COURSE but I'd like to believe you're an intelligent enough person to engage in this.

The past is what will help mitigate issues in the future until we can find a solution that removes the problem completely. Why must it be one or the other? WE can easily do both and that is what I am saying. Maybe I am not expressing myself clearly, but not sure why you seem as frustrated as you do. I am not undermined or belittling the experience of those who have been impacted by such things. Is telling people to protect themselves so wrong? As for your pregnant example, like I mentioned everything we do comes it an inherent risk factor and only you (general you) can determine if that risk factor is worth it, and see what you should do to mitigate the risk factors. Still understanding that something could go wrong and you could end up pregnant. Is that really so wrong?

[QT_Melon]

The past is what will help mitigate issues in the future until we can find a solution that removes the problem completely. Why must it be one or the other?

Again, I think you're an intelligent enough person. However, I don't think you are stating what I'm getting at. The past is not mitigating the future when there is a problem now. Again, how is telling a pregnant woman who needs help now for example, "don't get pregnant" It's basically hand washing. I'm asking you again what steps now can you think of instead of clamoring to the that excuse that we can do to help victims now. We just ignore it and cling to a past excuse?

Let's put this in another way using this comparison on how this dialog with you at its current state is frustrating.

Two people are renting a place, turns out one of them is a bit short on rent.

Person A: I'm going to come up a little short on rent this month.

Person B: What? Why didn't you save enough to make sure this didn't happen.

Person A: I know, but right now can you help me come up with ideas on what I can do for this month

Person B: Well you should save enough money to make sure it doesn't happen.

Person A: Well, what is it that we can do now to make sure rent is paid off now?

Person B: Well to mitigate this problem you should have saved enough money to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Person A: Yeah okay, but again what can we do about paying rent now?

Person B: Why is it wrong for me to tell you that you should have saved money so you could have paid off rent this month.

Person A: Look, I'm asking what can we do about NOW.

[Rogatum]

Again, I think you're an intelligent enough person. However, I don't think you are stating what I'm getting at. The past is not mitigating the future when there is a problem now. Again, how is telling a pregnant woman who needs help now for example, "don't get pregnant" It's basically hand washing. I'm asking you again what steps now can you think of instead of clamoring to the that excuse that we can do to help victims now. We just ignore it and cling to a past excuse?

I mean I already stated that we should educate people on such issues, but that in itself will not solve the issue since we cannot control the actions of others, so educate people of the risks of certain actions and interactions have while informing them of agencies and programs they can to obtain help. Most that education will come from experience in the past from others. What else can we do outside of do our pest to educate and make people aware of the risks? I mean unless you are saying we should change how the law handles these issues and make it so people are guilty until proven innocent since that would provide an immediate consequence, which is something I do not think many would agree with since laws should never work that way.

Educating people before the issue happens, and informing that there are places one can go to try and obtain help regarding the issue.

Let's put this in another way using this comparison on how this dialog with you at its current state is frustrating.

Two people are renting a place, turns out one of them is a bit short on rent.

Person A: I'm going to come up a little short on rent this month.

Person B: What? Why didn't you save enough to make sure this didn't happen.

Person A: I know, but right now can you help me come up with ideas on what I can do for this month

Person B: Well you should save enough money to make sure it doesn't happen.

Person A: Well, what is it that we can do now to make sure rent is paid off now?

Person B: Well to mitigate this problem you should have saved enough money to make sure this doesn't happen again.

Person A: Yeah okay, but again what can we do about paying rent now?

Person B: Why is it wrong for me to tell you that you should have saved money so you could have paid off rent this month.

Person A: Look, I'm asking what can we do about NOW.

In this example the person could look up an agency that was created to offer some assistance to help with the situation, and normally that assistance will also come with tips to help avoid being found in such a situation again. I am sure much can be done to improve the agencies that are designed to tackle such issues but once again as I mentioned it still comes down to the person doing their part to seek the help. I mean I did mention people should seek out help when they need it, but until things change people should also do what they can to protect themselves. I am saying we should do both, that is the main reason why I am confused, it seems as if you feel I think it should be one or the other.