Sexual harassment

[Gizensha]

It's just online. It's honestly a non-issue. If you gave nudes to someone online and were then blackmailed I mean... it sucks but ultimately it is your fault. You can't really be sexually harassed in a game, especially when you as a player have the tools to stop it, as well as a pretty supportive GM staff willing to assist.

So we can't expect blackmailing to be morally wrong when it's done online? It's the victims fault?

[Rubiss]

So we can't expect blackmailing to be morally wrong when it's done online? It's the victims fault?

It's wrong, I never said it wasn't, but this is also just online. There are plenty of tools to deal with it. Letting it go on for months, even years, is completely their fault. This is ultimately just a game and this is the internet.

[Gizensha]

This is ultimately just a game and this is the internet.

I honestly don't understand this part. Won't ethics or laws apply on internet in your opinion? Why?

Edit: Also the threshold to report is quite high on abuse cases. I'm not sure what the time has to do with anything?

[Abelfei]

It's wrong, I never said it wasn't, but this is also just online. There are plenty of tools to deal with it. Letting it go on for months, even years, is completely their fault. This is ultimately just a game and this is the internet.

Rubiss,for once i 100% agree with you. Thanks for your input. To all of you posting about RL harassment, take note of what Rubiss said: This is way different. RL is much more serious, this is online....blist...logout....turn power of etc..

[Gizensha]

Rubiss,for once i 100% agree with you. Thanks for your input. To all of you posting about RL harassment, take note of what Rubiss said: This is way different. RL is much more serious, this is online....blist...logout....turn power of etc..

Don't you think people on internet are real? Why is crime done on internet not real? This is getting really bizarre...

[Rubiss]

Don't you think people on internet are real? Why is crime done on internet not real? This is getting really bizarre...

This can't be conflated to real abuse in any way. You can block said person from contacting you. You can't do the same in real life. It's nowhere near as easy. As for the blackmail bits, yes that was wrong and possibly illegal (not educated enough in the law to fully say) but I don't think there needs to be a big movement over something that is ultimately a very minor issue. You have all the tools you can ask for to deal with this.

[Enla]

This can't be conflated to real abuse in any way. You can block said person from contacting you. You can't do the same in real life. It's nowhere near as easy. As for the blackmail bits, yes that was wrong and possibly illegal (not educated enough in the law to fully say) but I don't think there needs to be a big movement over something that is ultimately a very minor issue. You have all the tools you can ask for to deal with this.

And the part where is escalated into a real life incident? This didn't just stay confined to the net.

[Gizensha]

This can't be conflated to real abuse in any way. You can block said person from contacting you. You can't do the same in real life. It's nowhere near as easy. As for the blackmail bits, yes that was wrong and possibly illegal (not educated enough in the law to fully say) but I don't think there needs to be a big movement over something that is ultimately a very minor issue. You have all the tools you can ask for to deal with this.

So behavior of people shouldn't be kept to standard because you can block after the damage was done? What if abuser creates alternative accounts (not unheard of)? How many instances of abuse would be ok this way?

[Rubiss]

So behavior of people shouldn't be kept to standard because you can block after the damage was done? What if abuser creates alternative accounts (not unheard of)? How many instances of abuse would be ok this way?

You also have the option of blocking before the damage is done too. If said "abuser" makes multiple accounts (which on FFXIV would be quite a boon to SquareEnix) you simply block each one. It is much more effort on their end to make an account than for you to block and they will move onto another "victim". My point is, there exists tools in almost every medium of social media and game to ignore someone. People should be held accountable for themselves. Both "abusers" and "victims" on the internet.