Sexual harassment

[sakkito]

On that note yes block and report doesn’t always work. Cutting these situations from the start usually works best though. Problem is that most of us wants to use mmo as a social platform as well to make friends (point of mmo) but other people use it to vent their um urges. What happened there (the article yada yada yada) was disgusting. People abusing power and guilt tripping others to satisfy normally unwelcome needs is just wrong. Besides religiously reporting and making things known there is really not much person can do though.

[QT_Melon]

If people think SE can't do much, then they are incorrect. It's just how much can SE invest in ways of helping. It's not unusual for workplaces to have counseling or a way to offer counseling to employees. I think the same can go for victims. Keep in mind I do not think the GMs are qualified to handle everything, but they are the first line of defense if someone does actually go to them. I think if SE has a special task force of employees that are trained with how to handle people that have to deal with harassment and know how to defer victims to outreach programs - it can go a long way.

The thing is you can only go so far with the "Preventative measures" rhetoric. It's a matter of what SE can do if they encounter a problem of a victim coming forth. They don't have to get overly involved, but at having the tact and knowledgebase to help point a person in the right direction (a hotline, outreach program) will help a lot to show good faith.

[Zsolen]

When I was 18, I would not have listened to them. I was certainly old enough to understand what was going on. She knew he needed to be blocked. You don't make decisions, based on social status.

FC leader should have kicked whoever was needed to be kicked, rather than leave. Barring that the 18 year old should have left the FC. You shouldn't want to be in a FC that doesn't have your back. We all had 'friends' that weren't really friends. You drop them like a bad habit, no matter how much time you spent together.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

When I was 18, I would not have listened to them. I was certainly old enough to understand what was going on. She knew he needed to be blocked. You don't make decisions, based on social status.

FC leader should have kicked whoever was needed to be kicked, rather than leave. Barring that the 18 year old should have left the FC. You shouldn't want to be in a FC that doesn't have your back. We all had 'friends' that weren't really friends. You drop them like a bad habit, no matter how much time you spent together.

Operative word being "I". They aren't you nor do they have the same confidence, experience or thought process you do. I, too, wouldn't go along with it, however that is far easier said then done. Someone with a poor upbringing, bad past experiences, depression and all sorts of other possibilities will not be equally equipped to handle the same scenario. You have to view this from their perspective, with their personality, not your own.

[sakkito]

I am on mobile. Dunno how to edit post here so in worst case scenario I will split it in two. I got more comments and emotes from people as a miquote and au ra. I usually keep to my fc but not responding feels rude so I usually wave at a person and walk away to closest summoning bell to look busy. Most often I am left alone at that point. The most I got as a lala was a pet. I had more experience with people starting dramas in fc. Once I had been close to calling a situation a harassment but I had resolved it and then left fc.

[Mixt]

"Police corruption and brutality is a work of fiction that never happens"
"Police are infallibe and never fall prey to the cognitive biases that causes people to automatically blame everything wrong on people who don't fit in"

Okay then, if you say so.

Guess BillyKaplan and i are horrible people for believing all those clearly fabricated news articles highlighting such incidents...

That is what you are saying is it not?

[NephthysVasudan]

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No...you are horrible for discouraging victims to come forward. Scaring them to hide.
Its one thing for myself to warn to not falsely accuse as that is a thing. It's an entirely different matter to tell them they will get hurt or worse.... for reporting sexual abuse if they choose to contact law enforcement or any authority for that matter.

If you have no issues with this...then I'd say your actually a part of the problem...the worst kind.

Nothing will get done if you don't speak up in the first place. Telling them to not bother at all or else...is no different then threatening.

[Mixt]

I have an issue with police not doing their job and instead arbitrarily deciding that anyone who comes forward who is not a straight white upper-class citizen must be the real culprit and proceed to jump on the victim.

I have an issue with society defending cops who do this simply because they don't like people who are different.

I have an issue with people claiming that The Law is infallible while stuff like this happens right in front of their face.

I have an issue with victims of abuse being presented with only bad options, where they are screwed no matter what they do, say nothing and get screwed, do say something and get screwed anyway.

Do nothing? The abuser gets you.
Contact the police? They assume you are the problem and get you.
Try to deal with it yourself? The police get you for vigilantism.

All bad options, because society is rotten like that.

[NephthysVasudan]

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So you have an issue with law enforcement.
Good for you.
What the bloody hell does that have to do with this thread?
This thread was supposedly made with the intent of making victims aware of their rights and what they can do about it.
And while I do not appreciate this thread in the slightest...the merit of said thread is valid.

Telling them they will be harmed/treated worse for reporting said offense...is counterproductive (and I'm being VERY polite on that point).

Take your attitude somewhere else. It has no place here and serves no constructive purpose other than scaring people.

[Elamys]

Telling them they will be harmed/treated worse for reporting said offense...is counterproductive (and I'm being VERY polite on that point).

He isn't saying people will be harmed for reporting offenses and therefore discouraging victims reporting, he's stating something that is a fact of life for many minorities: They already fear contacting law enforcement. I don't know if maybe you just don't live in the US, but it's a very real thing here. The problem is a lot of people here are saying "contact the police!!!" without taking into account the complexities of it because they, presumably, don't experience that fear.