Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[Kurando]

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Generally I don't think there is anything gray about it. Regardless of whether it's a friend, relative, or your BFF, account sharing is still a big no. Essentially if something happens to or on your account whilst someone else is using it, you will only have yourself to blame and the game provider won't do anything about it as you had total control over whether to share it or not.

It's a bit of a don't ask don't tell thing, as it only takes one person to see you mention you share your account and they could report you. Of course offline games you can easily get away with letting other people play, but online can be more tricky if the player is not careful.

[Doozer]

Mmm this is a grey area. If I’m going to be away on work and I let my nephew on my account to play while I’m gone, is this wrong? How people who play let their wives, gf, husband, bf, etc log in with their account? I dunno I know what you are getting at but for arguments sake I’m bringing up these counter points

Do you pay your nephew to play on your account and beat content for you? Read what I said.

[CreinCrein]

Account sharing is account sharing, persecute both equally or don't persecute it at all.

[Jijifli]

People like myself who don’t concern themselves with content selling aren’t agreeing that it’s “okay”—they’re just arguing to drop it because it’s obvious that the higher ups don’t care, so why should we? We don’t have to power to stop it, only GMs do. I’m not going to waste time and energy on reports that are going to be largely ignored.

Based on personal experience, it feels like the higher ups don't care for bots too, or anyone who buys RMT (which promotes it.) They don't care about bugs until they become a serious issue (Ungarmax). They don't listen to advice properly, such as with greed only when that was a thing, and how we all kept saying it was going to be horrible and Square was basically not caring because we weren't Japanese. They only somewhat listen to advice. While they fixed SCH's MP issue, we still have things like SAM's still doing less than a BLM or MNK and bring literally no useful utility outside of a tp user dying.

So ya, I think Square not knowing what they're doing is pretty common knowledge at this point.

Okay? And so the DRG was an ass. What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

I specifically mentioned this DRG for a simple reason. A player, a clearly toxic one at that, managed to scramble enough money to purchase a UWU clear. This player proceeds to wanna show just how cool his weapon is, but he has no idea how to play. I want to note, this was Tsukuyomi. If he really did clear it without paying out the money, why would this easy trial be an issue for him?

As someone said earlier in the thread, you can tell who cleared it, and who paid for it. And so far I've yet to see anyone with a UWU weapon actually be good at the game. But glad to know he can rub it in my face and call me a bunch of slurs.

I honestly wonder if the JP side of XIV's management is even aware of how regularly ToS violations go unpunished. They could just be looking at the number of bans and assuming that things are being kept under control when they obviously aren't.

The problem has been snowballing in every regard whether it be botting, hacking, or RMTing because people know they can get away with it and making statements about how seriously they take ToS violations then not actually acting on them just sends a negative message.

Reminder, like I mentioned in another post, I had an FC member openly admit that he bots. He gets 99% of his mats through using his bot program, even said how much he paid for it. He isn't banned.

[Theodric]

I honestly wonder if the JP side of XIV's management is even aware of how regularly ToS violations go unpunished.

I'm not convinced that they're aware.

It's hard to say what the cause of that is.

[Lambdafish]

That is probably the only way they can sell it, so even if its for Gil (which honestly wont be the case in many groups) they are going against the ToS by using the account of the person. Thats why I am so annoyed at this. They are going against two of the important parts of the ToS (RMT and account sharing) and will probably not be punished.

Its against the ToS because sharing account information is against the ToS, not because of RMT.

[Vidu]

Do you pay your nephew to play on your account and beat content for you? Read what I said.

People here have been arguing that they want something to be done about those run sellers because they're violating the ToS by sharing account information and that they consider that wrong because the ToS says that you're not allowed to share your information (despite that being most likely just SEs way to tell you "if you lose anything because you gave out your info, thats not our problem")

If you want to apply the logic "It needs to be punished, because the ToS says so", why is it relevant if money is exchanging hands?
The married couple and the two brothers I know who are sharing accounts are as much in violation of that part of the ToS as someone giving out their information to a stranger.
Should they be reported aswell then? Or is that "okay-sharing"? And if so: Is it only the exchange of money that makes it not okay?

[Doozer]

People here have been arguing that they want something to be done about those run sellers because they're violating the ToS by sharing account information and that they consider that wrong because the ToS says that you're not allowed to share your information (despite that being most likely just SEs way to tell you "if you lose anything because you gave out your info, thats not our problem")

If you want to apply the logic "It needs to be punished, because the ToS says so", why is it relevant if money is exchanging hands?
The married couple and the two brothers I know who are sharing accounts are as much in violation of that part of the ToS as someone giving out their information to a stranger.
Should they be reported aswell then? Or is that "okay-sharing"? And if so: Is it only the exchange of money that makes it not okay?

Is literally any of that what I said.

[Mixt]

I specifically mentioned this DRG for a simple reason. A player, a clearly toxic one at that, managed to scramble enough money to purchase a UWU clear. This player proceeds to wanna show just how cool his weapon is, but he has no idea how to play. I want to note, this was Tsukuyomi. If he really did clear it without paying out the money, why would this easy trial be an issue for him?

This is exactly the sort of thing i was talking about earlier.

Having one of these sorry excuses for human beings parading around and crowing about how great they are for having done something they didn't actually do and looking down on and throwing slurs at everyone else, and blaming us for things they themselves cause because they think they are infallible for having done said thing they did not actually do is incredibly aggravating, downright rage-inducing even.

I call BS on the statement that the rest of the playerbase is not negatively affected by this.

[Linx0r]

Do you pay your nephew to play on your account and beat content for you? Read what I said.

Of course I don’t. You totally missed my point. Maybe you need to read over my post, but no need to be a prude in your replies. As well, everyone has a different moral compass. What you think is not ok others may deem ok. If rules aren’t being enforced then it’s all the same technically. What this is coming down to are differential morals and it’s not going to stop unless the are consequences. Obviously there isn’t. The inmates run this prison so watch your bunghole....unless you are into that sort of thing .