[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Rogatum]

@Aviars, Since no one has asked you, why do you want the items to remain locked behind top 100?

Well, things got a little heated over the past few pages, but I'll just continue on from here about my main post;

Personally speaking I think the best way to re-implement the old mounts/glamours/etc is by making them (or a variation thereof) exclusively wolf collars, possibly requiring several seasons to obtain (so you can't do a one and done type thing). This way players will be encouraged to continue participating in Feast without feeling the pressure to try and reach top 100 and without losing the overall value of the mount.

As far as trophies could go...they could make a generalized participation trophy, but it wouldn't make sense to hand out specific "#1" trophies.

I agree that is a fair system, It does not address the points Aviars brought up as to why they feel the rewards should remain top 100 exclusive. Which are;

People should have to achieve top 100 for top 100 rewards. Plain and simple.

Going based off of that, no compromise that does not require achieving top 100 would be fair. Which does seem fair, as does your suggestion.

@Aviars Out of morbid curiosity say I did say "Yes" to your question, how is that wrong? Leaving emotion outside as much possible.

Trying to save on posts.

[Aviars]

if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks l

You acknowledged yourself that it was about material value. In the previous post too. Wowie.

Because they are called "top 100" rewards? Okay fine SE can simply change the name. Problem solved.

Changing the name of a Lambo to a razor scooter does not changes at the core it still a lambo changing it's name does not change the fact it is lambo.

So in one part you are saying you change the name in order to lower the value..... Please champ. The core part of your argument was that you can just change the name to make it worthless so everyone can have it. If the lambo stays a lambo how can a top 100 reward not be a top 100 reward and demand the same effort/skill? You literally make opposing arguments to yourself.

You cannot go around calling a honda civic a lambo and charge 500k and expect people to bite.

Anddddddd I never said that. You were making the claim that you can change the name to make it more accessible to others. Aka changing the name from a lambo to a civic and selling it for cheaper than what it was actually worth.

Since value achievement, and effort are 100% subjective so they have no hard value.

We were talking about the actual items value not your feelings. Stop bringing your feelings into this. I am trying to explain to you 500,000>>>>>>>>> 5

In the end you are saying the reason it should remain a reward for top 100 is because it is called a top 100 reward. If we get rid of the name what hard value does your mount have?

And here we come back full circle. It's like me saying if we get rid of the lambo name and change it to a civic then the car won't have any hard value anymore. You would and SHOULD still have to pay for the lambo full price, just as you should put in the same effort and skill into getting top 100 rewards aka get top 100.

@Aviars, Since no one has asked you, why do you want the items to remain locked behind top 100?

I have already answered that many times. People should have to achieve top 100 for top 100 rewards. Plain and simple. Why should people who have not achieved top 100 get rewards that others had to get top 100 for? Should people get ultimate weapons from the gold saucer? If you say no then you already agree with me.

[Cidel]

Oh look, another thread about old Feast rewards predictably attracted the usual biggest rebutter on the topic like Batman to the bat-signal. That didn't take very long.

Highly suggest people just don't engage directly, say your piece, "like" what you agree with, and move on. The "discussion" will probably end up going on for pages on end with various strawman arguments, passive-aggressive assertions and thinly-veiled ad hominems thrown around. Seen it happen enough times to know, and its already happening again.

[Awha]

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I agree a car has an objective material value, that goes beyond the name. We both agree that if someone calls a lambo a civic they should still pay full price. Now you feel your top 100 mount has objective value outside fact it was given as a top 100 reward. All the parts make it a lambo not just the name. Your top 100 reward is simply a brand the item itself has nothing special about it that makes it top 100. We cannot even say intent makes it unique, for all we know SE can be sitting on these designs and they just pulled a few out their ass and said this will make a good pvp reward. Every part of a lambo is made to be a lambo. Can you say the same? You did not say you can call a honda civic a lambo and charge people 500k for it, but that is more or less what you doing since nothing outside of the fact they were rewarded as a top 100 reward nothing else makes that item objectively unique to PvP or a top 100 reward. Can we really say the same for the car? Even if lambo never existed and you were pay 500 simply because they say it is fancy top line of sports car but looks no different then any other car on the street? Properly not, so why should those that want the item care that it was a top 100 reward?

I mean the PvE rewards are based around the encounter at least they have that claim, the pvp stuff they could have easily just put them in the golden saucer and you would not be able to tell the difference if they were never part of pvp.

[Aviars]

Your top 100 reward is simply a brand the item itself has nothing special about it that makes it top 100.

Except the fact that it was made for only top 100 players and IS ONLY for top 100 players. Ya, apparently nothing else special about it. At least you admit hard value actually matters though.

We cannot even say intent makes it unique.

Except we have several blog posts stating otherwise that these items are exclusive to the top 100 and only available for the certain time period. We should just ignore it though I guess because you claim it just isn't true.

I mean the PvE rewards are based around the encounter at least they have that claim, the pvp stuff they could have easily just put them in the golden saucer and you would not be able to tell the difference if they were never part of pvp.

You would be wrong, are you going to argue the trophies were meant to be for different content? They were made specifically for PVP and as far as I can see they are the ONLY trophies in the entire game. You can also look at the season1 and 2 armor and see they were made specifically for The Feast. The theme for them is centered around the Wolve's den.

I could go deeper but there really is no need to when your main points are "we should ignore words SE says" and "It's my opinion that these have nothing to do with pvp

I will leave it at that for now, it's very late

[Louvain]

Well, things got a little heated over the past few pages, but I'll just continue on from here about my main post;

Personally speaking I think the best way to re-implement the old mounts/glamours/etc is by making them (or a variation thereof) exclusively wolf collars, possibly requiring several seasons to obtain (so you can't do a one and done type thing). This way players will be encouraged to continue participating in Feast without feeling the pressure to try and reach top 100 and without losing the overall value of the mount.

As far as trophies could go...they could make a generalized participation trophy, but it wouldn't make sense to hand out specific "#1" trophies.

[Awha]

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I do not know would a player that just started playing be able to tell that the hell hound mount if they saw it on the golden saucer was once a PvP reward? I do not think so. In the end it just boils down to the fact that SE promised pvpers something, and they will hold on to that promise no matter how dead content gets. From the items I can currently see, I did not play in the early seasons all of them do not seem like anything screams this must be for PvP outside of where I got to buy them. Point remains SE has changed their mind in the past, and if they were to change their mind on this matter you sort of lose all objective value those items hold. That is what I am trying to say. Right now we should value SE words, I bet if they changed their mind and released a statement you would not be okay with that even though SE released a statement.

[swiss_Momo]

+1 from me
As others have pointed out there is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much wrong with Feast to justify locking timed exclusive rewards behind it.
(also wasn't there an interview with the devs of some actual e-sports game on how exclusive rewards don't work as incentive to climb a leaderboard anyway?)

[TheGrimace]

The limited time aspect for Feast makes it hell to try to get winnings even after entering a little later than everyone else. The whole thing's a sham, so I'm interested in seeing changes to how rewards are given. If anything, make it so the top 100 get the first picks- then the following seasons release earnings for wolf marks, even if it takes 20000. Something to save for.

[Praesul]

If anything they should add MORE exclusive. Players should be rewarded for being exceptional, add titles for world/server first in pve, or for the earliest 20 or so clears per server. Add exclusive reward to Palace of the Dead in some form....You can already earn 99.5% of what's in this game just by playing super casually, they should add more stuff to ignite some competition in other forms of play.