[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Aviars]

No, they are not. See everything that didn't require either arbitrary judging or buying a different version of the game. The only true exception to this might be crossover even items due to licensing concerns.

Your point doesn't refute mine if anything it helps me. Anyways SE gave up the minion from being exclusive due to demand, but they also replaced it with another exclusive item. That shows commitment to having exclusive items in the first place. If they weren't committed to it then they wouldn't have made a replacement for the minion being made non-exclusive.

And besides that, you have already accepted that there are exclusive items present other than pvp items. It only helps me that you admitted to that fact.

[Awha]

You were trying to refute my argument that real life and video games shouldn't be compared because "it's just a game." But now you are also claiming that you would feel the same way about irl as you do with the game. Please champ.

Mind stating what the negative effects are? Why will people leave the game if not the games toughest content being considered illegitimate and diluting the achievement of players? You keep saying there is a negative effect but keep claiming that you will be unaffected by it. You can't claim a negative and then claim people shouldn't feel affected by it.

And you will somehow say the first place trophy should be for everyone? Hah

First I was simply saying it was not a fair comparison, because the reality it is a game the comparisons are not equal. when I mentioned my position regarding IRL I was simply stating that is my own personal view I follow be in-game or outside. People leave the game for various reasons though I do feel at the core the baseline reason is lack of enjoyment. Many things can factor into why a player stops to enjoy something could be lack of interest, or feeling cheated. As I mentioned in the other thread how you feel is how you feel, but in my eyes no change would inherently detract from enjoyment itself. Hard for me to explain, but I do not view my enjoyment as the same as your enjoyment. So what you find fun, I might not so a change to a system does not inherently detract from enjoyment as a whole since a change itself does not come with a positive or negative outcome by itself. That outcome is based around the perfection of others.
Can we honestly say for certain that if they did not make the items obtainable through differing means it would not positive outcome for the game mode itself? Either way we tried the exclusive model and feast queues get slower with each passing season. Granted that could be for a couple of reasons, but maybe it is time SE to try something different.


I never stated or meant to imply that you should not feel slighted by a change, since as I mentioned in the other thread and I think in this also (they bleed together) how you feel about something is 100% legitimate. My issue is that you are painting your feelings as the general consensus. That is why I say RMT, and cheating have shown to have a negative impact on a games health, and that for the most part is a agreed upon concusses but for me personally I have never let factors like that bother me because I do not let them. I mean I played Archage for the longest time because I enjoyed the game despite the cheaters, bug, p2w aspects.

You understand what I am saying? That is why I feel it is a choice to let an outside force have an impact on ones accomplishment. It is hard to me to see how it is not a choice since clearly not everyone feels the same way if the did we would not be discussion.

Also yeah I would be okay with trophies being obtainable with MGP for all I care.

[Titor]

When everyone says no other rewards are time-gated they always forget about legacy status/1.0

[Awha]

When everyone says no other rewards are time-gated they always forget about legacy status/1.0

To be fair 1.0 was a different game, and such rewards were given to those that played said game so semantically speaking it was not FFXIV:ARR. So it is not really wrong to say that no other time gated rewards are in the game outside those that were attached to some outside promotional code or something. Though I would all be for having those items back in game.

[Aviars]

First I was simply saying it was not a fair comparison, because the reality it is a game the comparisons are not equal. when I mentioned my position regarding IRL I was simply stating that is my own personal view I follow be in-game or outside.

You are claiming a high ground when you are saying you are unaffected by everything around you in game and that other people should also feel the same.You then extend this to irl as part of your argument trying to say that "games" are less than real life yet you don't care about irl either. That's conflicting in itself, you make a irl argument yet try to say my irl comparison isn't "fair." Yes, again you can't have your cake and eat it.

People leave the game for various reasons though I do feel at the core the baseline reason is lack of enjoyment.

But you just claimed that nobody should be feeling this way in the first play in regards to cheating and rmt, at the very least you make that claim. This entire argument you have is that I shouldn't care because you don't care. Yet you say that rmt and cheating are having a negative effect because it takes away people's enjoyment? If you were to be consistent in your argument, you would be telling people like that that they shouldn't care because you don't care. You are making conflicting statements.

You can't claim that rmt and cheating are a negative if you also claim that it wouldn't affect you, because then you would have to say those people shouldn't care because you don't care about it.

I never stated or meant to imply that you should not feel slighted by a change

You keep claiming that I shouldn't care about this because it doesn't belittle my or other people's achievement. I really wish you would pick one argument or another.

My issue is that you are painting your feelings as the general consensus. That is why I say RMT, and cheating have shown to have a negative impact on a games health, but for me personally I have never let factors like that bother me because I do not let them.

And somehow you are trying to enforce your feelings onto me and others. Your main argument this entire time is that you don't care, so why should I care? This is why your arguments are conflicting with each other. You can't claim that cheating and rmt are negative to my face without accepting that people RIGHTFULLY feel that way. And if you can concede that fact then you can't keep trying to force your feelings onto myself or others. You accept there is a negative to cheating and rmt, great. Does that mean you accept there is a negative to making exclusive items non-exclusive? I'd love to hear your answer.

I also love the irony that you are trying to claim a general consensus and repeating it to me to try and change my mind. Please

You understand what I am saying?

I understand that you are arguing two different things that don't agree with each other.

Also yeah I would be okay with trophies being obtainable with MGP for all I care.

mhm, are you going to argue that should be general consensus?

[Gospel]

When everyone says no other rewards are time-gated they always forget about legacy status/1.0

Threadly reminder that as a legacy player most of us don't care about our tattoo and trash items. This stuff should of been in the game anyways. Most of us don't even agree with s/e's logic to let us keep our progress during the transfer anyways. It was unfair and they should of just let us have our names be in the credits and leave it at that. The exclusive argument also took a huge nose dive the day they added the Goobbue mount to the Sylph dailies anyways. There really is no point or reason for them to honor legacy status anymore. Heck you can still buy promo codes from 1.0 and they'll still work if you enter them in Mogstation enough times. I'm sure you're quite familiar with it.

[MeganLynn]

Before I say anything, I just want to say that this is my opinion and not directed towards anyone. Also, some of you will get offended by this, so please know that I do NOT mean this in a malicious way:

To me, it seems like those that want to keep rewards exclusive are those that have no real accomplishments in real life(though, I'm sure nearly all of those will try to dispute it). As someone that has played this game since early access of 2.0, I find it completely ridiculous that desirable rewards are locked behind some of the worst(if not THE worst) content in the game. No one is saying make them easy to obtain, just give them a way TO obtain them. You kids that hate the idea just because you want to feel special really need to take a step back, take a deep breath and realise that in the grand scheme of things, it's just a game, let everyone have a chance at having things that would make their gaming much more enjoyable to them. I mean really, to say no to this is sad an petty.

[Awha]

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Not everything is an argument, how I view things outside the game was simply to show that you will be hard pressed in trying to convince me that anyone besides me can the ability to detract value from my accomplishment be it in game or out. I am not saying people should not feel the same way as I do, I am saying that no change in itself inherently detracts value from your accomplishment, since if a change inherently did that we would have no need for this discussion since everyone would be in agreement. Only claim I am making is that no change inherently devalues an accomplishment, effort, achievement. I never made the claim that you cannot feel a change detracts from your accomplishment on a personal level. What I am saying is that your perception is yours alone, just as mine is. Makes sense? Our perception is not universal thus I feel we should not be saying one is better then the other. I know I am not conveying this well, I am trying to explain that just because we feel a certain way about a change does not mean that is the only valid way to view it.

Please understand in my view I can see how cheating and RMT can have a negative impact on a games health, but I personally do not care if cheating and RMT go on. The moment I stop enjoying the game is the moment I stop playing it. Enjoyment is why I would stop playing, and yes many reasons can influence that choice, but in my eyes it was still my choice to let such things impact my enjoyment. If that makes sense. Do I understand why some would feel cheated if exclusive items became non-exclusive? Yes I would, but I would not care. Just as I would not care if the made an Ultimate story mode that had the same rewards as those that cleared it normally. I would still choose work through it no matter how long it takes for our group to kill it.

Hope I am making some sense. I am not trying to change your mind so you think how I feel is right, since you have no reason to. That is what I am trying to get out what reason does anyone have to care about a strangers achievements. or effort that went into earning something. Sure it sucks if someone belittles what you have done, but the effect of said comment is solely based off how we view it. As I mentioned in the other thread my goal was never to change your mind on you feeling slighted by any change regarding top 100 rewards, you are free to feel what you feel. What I am trying to express is why should any stranger care about another top 100 achievement? Are we to say that those that do not care about a top 100 achievement are wrong? What I am trying to say is most things we want is based around desire, I get you want to keep items exclusive because that is your desire, just as those that want the item because that is their desire. No right or wrong view point here, but you seem to think that your view is the only one that matters. I understand why you would want it to be exclusive, does not mean I have to agree or accept it. Just as I can understand rmt and cheating can have a negative impact on a game, but if I do not let that impact my personal enjoyment it has no effect on me. I know my view is not popular, I do agree something can only bother you if you let it.

[Aviars]

To me, it seems like those that want to keep rewards exclusive are those that have no real accomplishments in real life(though, I'm sure nearly all of those will try to dispute it). As someone that has played this game since early access of 2.0, I find it completely ridiculous that desirable rewards are locked behind some of the worst(if not THE worst) content in the game. No one is saying make them easy to obtain, just give them a way TO obtain them. You kids that hate the idea just because you want to feel special really need to take a step back, take a deep breath and realise that in the grand scheme of things, it's just a game, let everyone have a chance at having things that would make their gaming much more enjoyable to them. I mean really, to say no to this is sad an petty.

So you start off your argument with a baseless ad hominem? The armchair psychology is real.

Regardless, why should people who don't get top 100 get access to said rewards? Should bronze players in say Overwatch be entitled to a top 500 border around their name? Because you know it's just a game right, why deny people shiny things if they want them? To people who say "it's just a game" are you going to tell people that cheating and rmt don't matter? It's just a game right? Nothing matters here.

I am not saying people should not feel the same way as I do, I am saying that no change in itself inherently detracts value from your accomplishment,.

The double negative seem to me like you wanted to say that you were not saying people to feel the same as you rather than what you actually typed. This is why we never get anywhere. Because you try to say someone isn't wrong then proceed to say they are wrong. You are trying to convince me that if I thought in the correct way like you, that I wouldn't care about anything just like you.

If you actually realize that my line of thinking is not wrong like you claim, and ALSO believe that people RIGHTLY have negative feelings against cheating/rmt despite you not caring about it, if you actually were not intent on making me "feel" just like you, then you would not constantly respond with the same soundbite telling me that "Only you can belittle your achievement." You would say it ONCE and leave it at that. But here you are doing it again, trying to change my mind. I am not going to agree with you. And you repeating it will not somehow change anything. Hopefully you figure that out.

[MeganLynn]

Regardless, why should people who don't get top 100 get access to said rewards? Should bronze players in say Overwatch be entitled to a top 500 border around their name?

If they put in just as much effort but maybe in a different way, yes, they absolutely deserve the same rewards.