[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Louvain]

As the title states, please make old feast rewards, specifically the mounts (such as the hell hounds) available to the rest of the FFXIV community via other methods (achievements, seasonal event, mogstation, etc)

I know this is already gonna be an unpopular topic withothers, but I may as well try.

There's quite a number of folk who are interested in obtaining the Feast rewards, but for a variety of reasons, don't. And who can blame them? Between incredibly short seasons, long queue times after the first two weeks, win trading/boosting (the abundance of which depends on season and server), a very limited prize pool, and the state of pvp feast itself, many people are discouraged from even trying in the first place.

To put this into perspective; more people have cleared UcoB and will continue to have opportunities to clear than there are "top" 100 Feast rewards. Meanwhile, what are arguable some of the most sought after mounts in the game seemed to be permanently locked out to the rest of the community and with no further opportunities to gain access to them.

So please, consider taking old feast rewards and making them available to all, even if its just one variant or a completely different variant of the same mount all together.

[Rogatum]

This is not going to end well. Wish you the best, PvP community in this game is small but vocal. Give it time this thread will blow up soon until then I will sit at the ready with my popcorn.

Post limit sorry.

I just want to say if you people can actually justify having the rank 1 trophies remain exclusive then you ALSO just made a justification for keeping top 100 rewards just as exclusive. The only difference between the two is one happens to be an actual trophy and the other "trophies" are just in the form of glamour and mounts. BASICALLY NO DIFFERENCE.

And that's what rubs me wrong about people asking for this, the people understand why trophies should remain exclusive but then they perform some pretty amazing mental gymnastics to try and justify why top 100 rewards are not the same thing.

On that note, it's just obvious that people see something shiny that they can't have or hope to get try to devalue it by making it available through the easiest ways possible. I find it just sad really. Do people not care about working hard for their rewards? Do people really think going to the gold saucer and doing their daily scratchers for the Fenrir mount is pat on the back hard work? Why should you get a reward for nothing while someone else had to one of the top 100 players?

Please people

I do not have a dog in this fight, but I have to ask what reason should someone care about ones personal achievement or effort? You are asking people why they should get a reward, and while selfish they are the very least state the reason because they want the items. You have not given a reason as to why people should care about keeping things the same. Achievement and effort are all personal based, and being as they are personal what reason should people have to care about them? So someone worked their asses off to get 100 for the reward, good for them.

Granted both sides are fueled by emotion, but you are trying to paint the other side as lazy and unworthy of such rewards because they did not happen to work as hard as you for the rewards. All I got to say to that is so? It is a video game everything becomes easier with time sort of the nature of the game type.

Also PvP is pretty much dead in this game and is also a joke so I do hope you do not try and state that the rewards are meant to foster a sense of competition. Let us be real the rewards were put in place to bait suckers into playing a broken game mode. Looks it did not work out all that well.

[Alestorm]

Honestly I would agree with the idea of them being obtainable later, only the trophies should stay exclusive. It's just glamour/mounts and having it first is one thing, but denying anyone but a few permanently is rather silly. Or just offer recolors that anyone can either grind/earn/purchase.

[Heerorito]

I agree, though they did mentioned something about using wolf collars to buy some of the old rewards (not sure if its still going) but nonetheless I agree, just not the trophies.

[Squintina]

Using wolf collars to buy old rewards would be nice.

Or just putting the old rewards back into The Feast seasons every once in a while as an additional prize.

Not the trophies, of course.

[Stormfur]

As someone who HAS PVP'ed since the Hellhounds were made available (season 3 onward), there are so many glaring issues with Feast that should really be fixed.

In all honesty, unless you have a boatload of time to set aside and wait through long queues to the exclusion of everything else in the game, you don't have much of a chance. So much of a match is based on things totally out of your control, like:

1) the RNG of teammate selection. There are so few people queued in the first place that the system has a very, very small pool to draw from. You'll know what I'm talking about if you've ever played with a silver healer vs. an unranked one. It is a virtual curb-stomping that is over in minutes.

2) the RNG of server ticks. Such a targeting-based system works well enough for PVE but it creates terrible lag in PVP. The servers have so many commands to juggle so quickly that I think they can't realistically keep up in the way that a robust PVP system needs to. It feels as if PVP was "bolted on" rather than really thought through as a system that can stand on its own merits and capabilities.

3) the lack of an ability to communicate. I can see why this was done but it's so needlessly frustrating. There are so many great alternatives and options suggested in the PVP forum but we only hear crickets Besides, people can (and do) coordinate over outside channels and they have a definite advantage over those who don't or can't. I can't help but wonder how this will play out on the official tournament preliminaries, because perhaps even if there's a rule that you can't use said program on your PC, there's nothing preventing someone from using it on their tablet or phone. Just let us talk and if someone's raging like a salt factory, let us report them as easily as we can report RMT.

4) The clogging up of the leaderboard with alts. I'm not naming names, but if you've played for any length of time, you know who they are, and you can easily tell whose alts are taking up space on the boards. PVP rewards being account-wide would eliminate a lot of this.

5) People paying actual money to boost their characters to the top. There's a thread right now in the PVP forum about this issue.

These kinds of things eliminate all notion of fair and honest competition. The top 100 becomes less of a showcase of skill and more of a "who had the most time (or money) to throw at this". IMHO they should never have introduced rewards that are both time-limited and exclusive. If they were going to make them exclusive, then make them account-wide and ban the cheaters and boosters out-right. If they were going to make them time-limited, then put them up on mog station after enough time has passed like nearly every other time-limited item in the game.

When you introduce something so rare that only a fraction of a percentage of players have it, it doesn't encourage people to play that mode. They either see people with scores in the 3,000s and think "why bother?" or they try to cheat/hack/boost or otherwise break the system to get said rewards.

If you want to encourage such a narrow system, then why not also do it for other difficult-to-rank modes like Deep Dungeon and Frontlines? Truly, with the exception of a few rare souls, Feast is nothing more than a toxic, salty ragefest that I have no doubt the GMs cringe about every time they receive a PVP player incident

FFXIV is meant to be fun, encouraging, cooperative...at least in every other aspect of the game save Feast.

[Rockette]

Bless.

They won't. They're still trying to make pvp a wider done thing.

Although I guess if the rewards weren't completely unobtainable and therefore no point trying....maybe more people would try if alternative options were avaliable.

[Louvain]

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I agree with all of this. I wish SE would actually listen to the overall pvp population than....whoever it is they're listening to, because it feels like a minority in an already struggling community. Still, even if they fixed the feast issues in the new two weeks, you'd still have the problem of people who would want old rewards (ie they didn't have time, didn't play, etc). And id like SE to give the opportunity to obtain them again on a wider scale.

[Rogatum]

Personally as I mentioned in the other thread about this topic in the PvP suh forum non time exclusive rewards are silly and a waste of resources. Nevertheless, Storm can attest how the PvP comminty responds to suggestions such as these. To a degree I understand where they are coming from either way I am always in support for more options in any game aspect.

[Heerorito]

If anything make it like top 10 exclusive, EG the wolf coat or some of the old pvp mounts. Wolf collars can be a bonus it has to be high price for it.