Player skill level classifications

[KisaiTenshi]

I was not backing up Kisai's point, more explaining what they truly meant. I repeat myself, I disagree that all hardcore players = the extreme they said, I am also in disagreement they implied the friend I have also does that. I simply said some people can overcomit to this game by spending too much time on it, and how much that means varies from person to person. With my example, they are overcomiting because they do not want to be spending that amount of time they did those few weeks, but did anyway, and did so because there was a "need to" over doing it because they wanted to. You asked how does one overcommit to hunts, and I was answering that question, has nothing to do with 3rd party tools.

Moro was trying to find insult where none was implied.

I speak from experience. If you start spending so much time in the game that you're not enjoying it, it feels like a chore, and can't drop it because you might let down your friends, then you've overcommited to it, and it will end badly. The problem is that a small amount of people who would call themselves hardcore, can't see the big picture that once you let the game control your social interactions, you're planning your life around a game. If you're not being paid by Twitch/Youtube to play the game, you have really no reason at all to give the game your social life.

[shibeouya]

IMO there's different kinds of "casual" as there's different kinds of "hardcore" that can't quite be captured by bullet points like this.

How would you call someone who doesn't do savage, yet has done all relic, collected all orchestrions, TT cards, sightseeing logs, mounts, minions? I would definitely qualify such a person as hardcore, probably more than some people grinding Savage. There's a bunch of people that live for achievement hunting that I know of and consider truly hardcore players, despite them not doing much savage.