Omega and future raid concerns

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You have lolfflogs, thats your content. Go focus on padding your runs.

I see you've committed to being a troll. Funny enough, this happened back with Creator. What happened? People unsubbed because there was nothing to do. Parse runs only last for so long.

To be fair this is why I think it is asking a lot as it's a very small subset of the player base demanding content solely for them

Because that is the entire purpose behind a Theme Park MMO. How many people care about Perform, Rival Rings, Crafting, Gathering and PvP in general? You don't see threads screaming PvP be deleted from the game or Perform shouldn't exist. That is content for a very niche audience. In fact, I'd argue PvP has a smaller playerbase than raiders. We're asking for one or two things that cater towards our interest, just as you prefer something like Eureka. Can I do all the dungeons released? Yes. But that isn't enjoyable content for me.

Theme Park MMOs are designed to offer small pieces of the pie for multiple types of players. You don't compare the entirety of everything the game offers against Savage. You compare Savage with say, PvP or Crafters/Gathers. Each makes up a percentage, albeit with some overlay. What you're demanding is raiders get nothing.

It's this spiteful attitude that turns me against the raid community

What's stopping you from partaking in Savage if you want to see God Kefka? Are pugs difficult? Sure. But I've managed to clear with suspect parties on Warrior, which is not my main. If I can do it, why can't you?

[SinisterJoints]

It's this spiteful attitude that turns me against the raid community

If the shoe fits?

To be fair this is why I think it is asking a lot as it's a very small subset of the player base demanding content solely for them

It's this spiteful attitude that turns me against the casual community... see what I did there? You act like this game is entirely devoted to the raid community when in actuality its not. It's so geared towards casual that if it goes anymore casual you might as well make it a mobile game. I just don't understand that mentality. What I say is not wrong, by any means. You just don't like it because the opinion differs from yours, no matter how truthful it is.

Why should 100% of the content revolve around casual play?

[ko_]

It's this spiteful attitude that turns me against the raid community

I mean... she's not wrong persay. I don't want to pick sides cause I'm not good enough to do sav on my own yet, but I can also as a gamer understand the want to want harder content. I mean honestly, they only get so much while 90% of the game is doable by the 99%. So asking for the tiny bit they get to be put with the rest is kindof greedy.

[SinisterJoints]

I mean... she's not wrong persay. I don't want to pick sides cause I'm not good enough to do sav on my own yet, but I can also as a gamer understand the want to want harder content. I mean honestly, they only get so much while 90% of the game is doable by the 99%. So asking for the tiny bit they get to be put with the rest is kindof greedy.

If you were on behemoth, I would savage with you! I'm patient, just ask my static!

[Pastahnak]

You know some people call FFXIV the dark souls of the MMO genre. Just gotta learn to git gud.

[ko_]

If you were on behemoth, I would savage with you! I'm patient, just ask my static!

I dunno.... I might take you on that. It might be free to transfer there. Either that or I might do something.

[jameseoakes]

What's stopping you from partaking in Savage if you want to see God Kefka? Are pugs difficult? Sure. But I've managed to clear with suspect parties on Warrior, which is not my main. If I can do it, why can't you?

I've pugged up to O6S which is enough for me. It can be fun with a nice group but those are rare. Also one of the main reasons I don't pug is I like to try and help friends clear them as well and with the loot rules this means I tend to leave it until the weekend which tends to bring out the worst in PUGs in my experience. I may run it after the lock out is removed as the gear is rather nice this time round but 8 weeks for a peace of gear isn't worth it.
For the record I dislike Eureka and don't have an issue with the savage final phase form though I do dislike the same argument being used for both it and Ultimate. I the unique phase works well if the normal fight is also interesting (like say brute Justice with the winged phase), if they plan to keep with the giant human final tier bosses I think they need to do triple form fights with the normal having one form change and the savage getting an extra one.

Sorry if the tone is a little harsh in this I thought the troll remark was aimed at me and many have coloured my response, I think I will bow out here the reply are getting personal though I think the raid community easier to agree with if it didn't act like such a clique and be so insulting to people not in it.

[Remedi]

HoH floors will probably be the equivalent of Floor 151+ in PotD, if I recall the live letter correctly. However, the developers already made a statement on how most people really enjoyed the harder floors. He wasn’t referring to raiders with that statement..

Tbf he mentioned the 181+ floors as a comparison more often and he said that he consider them 4 man raids.

That said I've the politic of not really being full sold on what devs says. I mean Zurvan was supposed to be harder than usual to appeal the raid community

[Sebazy]

And I totally get that...But at the same time, this wasn't the case before since ARR and HW expansion.

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I can accept that fact that I will never have that gear but to completely lock out a portion of the a fight just seems dumb to me.

Whilst a lot of people have already corrected your point with regards to Coil in ARR, it's also worth noting that Midas in HW also had a final form and entire phase that was completely missing in normal mode (Winged Justice).

[Kaliesto]

I took a step back from this thread to cool off as I noticed I was getting a little heated. I'm going to put this another way, but would it not be better to split Exdeath Savage and Neo Exdeath (also the same for Kefka)? The thing is these raids take a lot of time, and time is something that not a lot of us have when it comes to PUG groups. Especially if a random group constantly fails at Neo Exdeath or God Kefka and have to start all over again if the group has to split.

Here is a idea I can propose in order to keep these raids healthy and intact, how about that players HAVE to defeat Exdeath AND Neo Exdeath in order to receive the reward but as separated Savage Raids? Also same deal with kefka and future raids. This way everyone wins on this compromise without the loss of the raids being special because future raiders will still have to get through Exdeath first and then proceed to Neo Exdeath as a separated raid to get the full reward!

I really do feel that Savage Exdeath is hard enough by himself, and having to deal with another savage form really starts to take the toll on the player mentally.

While the Ultimate Raids remain untouched! I think this is a fair compromise for future final forms of a savage boss!