Omega and future raid concerns

[Kleeya]

The herb is always greener on the other side. I was reading somewhere else some hours ago how Mythic+ was a failed content, which makes you redo the same dungeon other and other and other again, the only difference being that it was each time a bit more or less difficult. How it was a cheap solution so that the players "have something to do", while in fact it is no more than boring corean f2p mindless grinding. How doing the same thing on +2, then +4, then +6, then +9, then +10, etc... was a poor attempt at hiding the lack of truly new content.

As for massive pulls in dungeons neither of you two are wrong. Of course it goes faster that way, but the last time i did see in a random group a tank beginning by small pulls instead of taking everything to the next closed door, he was instantly greeted by a "only x mobs ? Are you f****** kidding me ?".

[Remedi]

I can tell you this about mythic+ and legion in general.
If I wanted to play Diablo 3 I would've played Diablo 3

Also there's to say that I've played several seasons on D3 and incurred in the same problems in all of them.
As a system it's fun when you can progress faster but gets incredibly dull once you reach a certain cap.
The fact that they tried to emulate that on a game who is much worse on the gearing and drops really didn't sold me on the prospect.
It was simply an attempt to entice ppl in doing challenge modes dungeons after they failed 2 times in the past.
Both pandaria and WoD challenge modes have been a failure for the general ppl but they were a good addition for a niche audience and imho it should've stayed like that.

Actually they should've made them much harder and without a time limit, let me beign challenged by the content and not by how fast I can run it, but maybe it's just me liking cata and bc level heroic talking

[BubblyBoar]

The only reason there's an easy mode for the 8 player raids is so people just like you can experience the storyline that's attached to it.

I just can't understand not wanting to challenge yourself with harder difficulty content when it's right there for you. How is it possible to play this game without taking part in the extremely limited endgame content ffxiv actually has? Do people seriously only log in to duty finder easy mode content for months on end?

Actually....yes I do. But I also have no problem with savage raiders have their own extra form in savage. As long as it stays just that, it's fine. Neo and God are kinda towing the line as they are basically a brand new fight. but that's the upper limit I'm willing to accept.


Not everyone gets enjoyment out of the same thing the same way. Some people play to see the game while others play to beat the game. Both are valid and reasonable.

[Dualgunner]

You have lolfflogs, thats your content. Go focus on padding your runs.

Remember kids, raiders are the toxic ones.

I swear this is comedy gold.

[Ameela]

Actually....yes I do. But I also have no problem with savage raiders have their own extra form in savage. As long as it stays just that, it's fine. Neo and God are kinda towing the line as they are basically a brand new fight. but that's the upper limit I'm willing to accept.


Not everyone gets enjoyment out of the same thing the same way. Some people play to see the game while others play to beat the game. Both are valid and reasonable.

Yes and there's also nothing wrong with rewarding players who beat the game to also be able to see more of the game, otherwise what's the point of even trying to beat it?

[Derio]

As a non raider I dont agree with the OP. People who raid dedicate countless hours, and they deserve to see exclusive scenes and boss fights. If you have a problem with it. Just watch a video of a savage clear like the rest of us casuals.

[HyoMinPark]

What in fresh hell does this even mean

I believe the technical terminology for the statement you quoted is "talking out of one's behind".

I had a friend who, up until Stormblood, played and raided on a toaster laptop that hovered at around 11 FPS. He still managed to raid in every tier since Binding Coil. Hardware is not a limiting factor in the tuning of mechanics. The PS4 Pro is more powerful than some PCs are. But, we do have to grasp at straws, I suppose.

[KisaiTenshi]

The herb is always greener on the other side. I was reading somewhere else some hours ago how Mythic+ was a failed content, which makes you redo the same dungeon other and other and other again, the only difference being that it was each time a bit more or less difficult. How it was a cheap solution so that the players "have something to do", while in fact it is no more than boring corean f2p mindless grinding. How doing the same thing on +2, then +4, then +6, then +9, then +10, etc... was a poor attempt at hiding the lack of truly new content.

That's what I said. Why would anyone willing play the exact same dungeon with mobs that just have higher HP and are otherwise identical? Nobody willingly takes a handicap for no benefit, and the only reason Mythic+ works at all is that the reward changes. It's the same in Mabinogi. 99% of the time players just ignore these "more challenging" options because that doesn't give them a clear, and it doesn't give them a reward, it's simply a race. Mabinogi's original dungeons were also pseudo-randomly generated (eg one may have 4 rooms per floor, another may have 30) where as all the content that came out after it used fixed maps and simply made you kill things to find keys that opened different doors in a different order.

That's fun, maybe once. But do you really expect someone to play the dungeon 10 times to clear all the difficulty levels when there's no practical difference between them? No. It's an intentionally lazy way to squeeze more life out of dead content and this is how it would likely look like in FFXIV:
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"Begin New Duty+ mode":
0(-)---------10
[ ] Minimum ilevel
[ ] No items
[ ] No Abilities
[ ] No job stone
[ ] No materia
[ ] Time Trial

Skill level rating: Kitten
No bonuses will be offered for this dungeon as it is below your skill level.
====
"Begin New Duty+ mode":
0---------(-)10
[x] Minimum ilevel
[x] No items
[x] No abilities
[x] No job stone
[x] No materia
[x] Time Trial

Skill level rating: Ascion
400% increase to (tomes/gil/seals). Level 10 Materia for completion in under XX:XX time. Tomes given will not be subject to weekly limits.
====
Mabinogi gated these things with dungeon passes you actually had to hunt or buy off the cash shop. WoW has Keystones that basically do the same thing.

I believe the technical terminology for the statement you quoted is "talking out of one's behind".

I had a friend who, up until Stormblood, played and raided on a toaster laptop that hovered at around 11 FPS. He still managed to raid in every tier since Binding Coil. Hardware is not a limiting factor in the tuning of mechanics. The PS4 Pro is more powerful than some PCs are. But, we do have to grasp at straws, I suppose.

You can't tell me you haven't seen anything in this game where the effect and animation was seconds behind where it actually was. You know BLM's complain about this all the time.

Go unsync any content, and drag the monster train all the way to the boss room and then hit your AOE bomb. You'll see a good 15 second delay as all the mobs die even on a high end machine.

Now apply that to "harder content" that consists of throwing more monsters at you. It's simply not going to be a thing.

[Sebazy]

Go unsync any content, and drag the monster train all the way to the boss room and then hit your AOE bomb. You'll see a good 15 second delay as all the mobs die even on a high end machine.

Just to clarify, this effect is actually a server side limitation that is in part down to the radial nature in which AoEs are applied in serial rather than parallel. Pazazu’s distance based AoE is a great example of this at peak hours, you can actually hear the effect resolving over the space of a few seconds. It has nothing to do with your client or it’s performance.

[Remyogic]

It would be a simple numbers pass. It would take minimal time to implement. Also don't speak for others. There are enough players in this thread making it known that the savage stuff in normal is very desirable.

Except that it isn't a simple numbers pass. The difficulty in Savage isn't the numbers (The World first for Ultimate had DPS at slightly above 5K); it' the mechanics. Introducing the extra phase (where the "Savage" level mechanics are mostly present) in a Normal mode would mean re-working the entire phase, hence making it nothing more than the same boss with a new skin. They tried this with a couple of Primals, namely Shinryu, where the Normal mode phases were fairly similiar to the Extreme mode phases, but with lower number requirements.............and all hell broke loose with casuals crying for nerfs to Normal cause they couldn't handle the mechanics. So, what's the point? SE is just pre-empting the casual playerbase by releasing the fight already nerfed to the core for Normal mode.